Originally posted by RJHinds It is done by the forces God put in place.
He started it going and will keep it going as
long as He wants
Did the brain come about via the forces God put in place, or did he interfere further than that? If the latter, does the complexity of the brain indicate this?
Originally posted by amannion Of course there's evidence of design. There's evidence of design all through our bodies - every bit of it looks like it was designed for something. But this doesn't require therefore that it was.
Evolution by natural selection is simply an attempt to explain how this 'design' came to be. It works pretty well, even with something as complex as a human brain ...[text shortened]... ce?
Your god is simply a fairy story - believe it if you care to, but it isn't science.
"...to see how this could develop over long periods of time, from simpler forms and simpler configurations.
"
This is as much a fairy tale as anything else, simply seeing simler forms only
means that there were/are simplier forms, it does not have to mean one came
from another!
Kelly
Originally posted by twhitehead Did the brain come about via the forces God put in place, or did he interfere further than that? If the latter, does the complexity of the brain indicate this?
Of course. "And God created man in His own image,
in the image of God He created him; male and female
He created them". (Genesis 1:27 NASB) In order to
create mankind in God's image, (to be able to create
and communicate with God) God had to create a special
brain, different from all other creatures.
Originally posted by amannion I'm not sure about evidence of left-right brain specialisation, but I would've thought that the fact that the brain can shift functionality to other areas when damage occurs is evidence in itself of an adaptive feature.
I submit that your say that " one hemisphere taking up tasks of the other in case of damage being done to it is an adaptive feature" is a circular argument. As I understand Evolution, for adaptation to take place,you will require that several such brains having repair facility must be there along with several brains without repair facility and persons with brains having repair facility must pass on this characteristic to succeeding generations and the other group not having repair facility receiving head injuries and dying out due to not having repair facility !! This scenario appears just imaginary. The question reg. having two hemispheres of specialised functions remains unanswered.
Originally posted by KellyJay Who do you know that says God was designed? I'd find one of them and ask them
to explain it.
Kelly
If the existence of intelligence indicates a designer, then the existence of an intelligent God indicates God had a designer. Either God had a designer, or the argument in the OP is flawed. (assuming an intelligent God exists).
Originally posted by RJHinds Of course. "And God created man in His own image,
in the image of God He created him; male and female
He created them". (Genesis 1:27 NASB) In order to
create mankind in God's image, (to be able to create
and communicate with God) God had to create a special
brain, different from all other creatures.
So did a mouse's brain come about via interference from God and does its complexity indicate this?
Did the sun come about via interference from God and does its complexity indicate this?
What level of complexity indicates interference from God and what level can we take it that the laws of physics are all that are required?
Originally posted by twhitehead So did a mouse's brain come about via interference from God and does its complexity indicate this?
Did the sun come about via interference from God and does its complexity indicate this?
What level of complexity indicates interference from God and what level can we take it that the laws of physics are all that are required?
The laws of physics were made by God.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
This includes the laws of physics.
Originally posted by twhitehead If the existence of intelligence indicates a designer, then the existence of an intelligent God indicates God had a designer. Either God had a designer, or the argument in the OP is flawed. (assuming an intelligent God exists).
Apples and oranges, since the claim about God is that He is, was, and always will
be the same throughout all of time and beyond. That is not the claim on the
universe, or if it is, than dating it suggests it had a beginning. So that there was
a beginning it means there was a point that it wasn't here, while that has never
been said of the Eternal God.
Kelly
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo I submit that your say that " one hemisphere taking up tasks of the other in case of damage being done to it is an adaptive feature" is a circular argument. As I understand Evolution, for adaptation to take place,you will require that several such brains having repair facility must be there along with several brains without repair facility and persons wit ...[text shortened]... aginary. The question reg. having two hemispheres of specialised functions remains unanswered.
I don't think I said one hemisphere takes up the functions of the other, those are your words. I'm not sure about the division of the brain's hemispheres.
What I think I did say was that different regions of the brain can take over functionality from damaged regions.
I think we get too hung up on the fact that there are specific parts of the brain that have specific roles/functions. The reality is, most of the brain is made from the same material, and the fact that our brain can continue to function even after damage simply shows that - a neuron is a neuron is a neuron. Certainly no need for two brains.
Originally posted by KellyJay "...to see how this could develop over long periods of time, from simpler forms and simpler configurations.
"
This is as much a fairy tale as anything else, simply seeing simler forms only
means that there were/are simplier forms, it does not have to mean one came
from another!
Kelly
You say potato.
The difference with my fairy story is that there's significant support from a number of different sources - genetics, paleontology, behavioural studies, breeding programs, and many more. All of these are falsifiable and subject to evidence, peer review, and all of the other constraints we place on the scientific 'fairy story'.
Your fairy story is the correct explanation because ... well because you say so - or some imaginary fairy in the sky says so in some book apparently written by the same said fairy in the sky.
Hmmm. Yeah, I can see how your fairy story is so much more convincing.
The difference with my fairy story is that there's significant support from a number of different sources - genetics, paleontology, behavioural studies, breeding programs, and many more. All of these are falsifiable and subject to evidence, peer review, and all of the other constraints we place on the scientific 'fairy story'.
Your fai ...[text shortened]... d fairy in the sky.
Hmmm. Yeah, I can see how your fairy story is so much more convincing.
I don't know about anyone else, but its fine with me if
you want to believe in science fiction. I enjoy watching
it myself on the TV.
Originally posted by RJHinds I don't know about anyone else, but its fine with me if
you want to believe in science fiction. I enjoy watching
it myself on the TV.
That's a well thought out post. You must be very proud of yourself.
By the way, it's the same 'science fiction' that allowed the computer you're typing your posts on, and allows the power that keeps it running, and allows the materials in the chair and desk that it's (probably) sitting on ...
Originally posted by amannion That's a well thought out post. You must be very proud of yourself.
By the way, it's the same 'science fiction' that allowed the computer you're typing your posts on, and allows the power that keeps it running, and allows the materials in the chair and desk that it's (probably) sitting on ...
Pardon me. I thought science fiction was truth mixed with fairy tales
and a lot of imagination just like the theory of evolution.
Originally posted by RJHinds Pardon me. I thought science fiction was truth mixed with fairy tales
and a lot of imagination just like the theory of evolution.
Hang on a minute, it was only a week or so ago you stated you knew nothing about evolution, and here you are claiming it's not true. So far in our discussion, which i will get back to tomorrow, you've agreed with everything i've said.
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Did God Design the Human Brain or Did It Just Happen?
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