Originally posted by JS357
The woman is the vibrating plate and her hair is the sand. It's also her facial expressions. The visible effects of the auditory stimulus in the two cases are analogous.

The woman was faking it.

Are you that naive?

Originally posted by JS357
What we call laws of nature are our best current understanding of observed regularities.

But you don't think those observations justify identifying that the universe was created?

Originally posted by josephw
But you don't think those observations justify identifying that the universe was created?

How do you think that argument would go? Observations of certain regularities do not, on their own, justify any conclusions about the origins of the universe. You'll need some ancillary premises to get to the conclusion that the universe was created by an agent. What do you take those ancillary premises to be?

Originally posted by josephw
The woman was faking it.

Are you that naive?

And you think the sand wasn't?

Originally posted by josephw
But you don't think those observations justify identifying that the universe was created?

We have a perfectly serviceable thread running, about design.

Originally posted by bbarr
How do you think that argument would go? Observations of certain regularities do not, on their own, justify any conclusions about the origins of the universe. You'll need some ancillary premises to get to the conclusion that the universe was created by an agent. What do you take those ancillary premises to be?

"Certain regularities" meaning the look of design? That the universe appears designed doesn't justify it was created? You need more proof?

The ancillary premise is a final authority.

Originally posted by JS357
We have a perfectly serviceable thread running, about design.

This whole forum is about design. Every argument is over design. The question is who's design?

Is there a final authority on all matters spiritual? If not, then there's no argument to be had. We're just pissing into the wind.

Originally posted by josephw
This whole forum is about design. Every argument is over design. The question is who's design?

Is there a final authority on all matters spiritual? If not, then there's no argument to be had. We're just pissing into the wind.

Oh you agree the question of whether the universe was designed is spiritual not scientific. We are together on this

But: "Every argument is over design."??