The utterly shameful face of American politics is reflected in the appalling fact that no one openly claims atheism, although Arizona Democrat Krysten Sinema says she is “religiously unaffiliated”. What hope is there for an enlightened leader to emerge from the evangelical, bible-bashing fundamentalists who know they are right because they have read the holy book.
George Bush Senior (when asked whether he recognized the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists): 'No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be conspired patriots. This is one nation under God.'
@pianoman1said The utterly shameful face of American politics is reflected in the appalling fact that no one openly claims atheism, although Arizona Democrat Krysten Sinema says she is “religiously unaffiliated”. What hope is there for an enlightened leader to emerge from the evangelical, bible-bashing fundamentalists who know they are right because they have read the holy book.
Georg ...[text shortened]... d they be conspired patriots. This is one nation under God.'
What a depressingly fatuous comment.
The USA is God-fearing nation built on principles of Christianity. Americans should not be afraid to promote the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. If atheists are shy about promoting their atheist faith, then the only reasonable conclusion is that they are unsure of their belief.
@rajk999said The USA is God-fearing nation built on principles of Christianity. Americans should not be afraid to promote the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. If atheists are shy about promoting their atheist faith, then the only reasonable conclusion is that they are unsure of their belief.
But the point was some idiots in the US think it’s ok to coerce Atheists to hide their Atheism. If Theist are confident in their beliefs they shouldn’t need or want the state to give them a protected status. It’s meant to be a democracy not a theocracy.
If they want to join the enlightened world they should scrap that archaic assumption.
@kevcvs57said But the point was some idiots in the US think it’s ok to coerce Atheists to hide their Atheism. If Theist are confident in their beliefs they shouldn’t need or want the state to give them a protected status. It’s meant to be a democracy not a theocracy.
If they want to join the enlightened world they should scrap that archaic assumption.
The USA is a democracy based on the principles of Christianity. The idiots are on both sides of the fence. Christians face more abuse as the number of atheists climb. Enlightened does not mean giving more rights to people who condemn the god-fearing.
@rajk999said The USA is a democracy based on the principles of Christianity. The idiots are on both sides of the fence. Christians face more abuse as the number of atheists climb. Enlightened does not mean giving more rights to people who condemn the god-fearing.
I would say your right about the idiots on both sides and nothing particular to the US in that but to retain a de facto demand in a believe in god in order to take part in something so intrinsic to citizenship is a bit.
Recognition that Atheists and Agnostics exist as equal citizens isn’t an attack on Theists.
@kevcvs57said I would say your right about the idiots on both sides and nothing particular to the US in that but to retain a de facto demand in a believe in god in order to take part in something so intrinsic to citizenship is a bit.
Recognition that Atheists and Agnostics exist as equal citizens isn’t an attack on Theists.
Would you say that atheists and agnostic Americans respect the religious God-fearing Americans the same way they would like to be respected? I dont think so.
@rajk999said Would you say that atheists and agnostic Americans respect the religious God-fearing Americans the same way they would like to be respected? I dont think so.
Again that’s irrelevant do you think the dogma driven theists treat anyone but their own with respect.
The question is surely wether the state in a democracy should side with those who believe in the existence of supernatural creatures and therefor against those who don’t?
@kevcvs57said Again that’s irrelevant do you think the dogma driven theists treat anyone but their own with respect.
The question is surely wether the state in a democracy should side with those who believe in the existence of supernatural creatures and therefor against those who don’t?
Yes, some do and some dont. The extremists on both side is not the rule. The US is a not a normal democracy, but one based on Christian principles. You are not understanding that point and that is the flaw in your argument. It is going to an impossible task for atheists to gain equal footing with the religious, and rightly so in my view. This is the reason why Trump is likely to win. He is an ass but he is on the side of Christians and Christian principles enshrined in the constitution and in the whole psyche of the US.
@rajk999said Yes, some do and some dont. The extremists on both side is not the rule. The US is a not a normal democracy, but one based on Christian principles. You are not understanding that point and that is the flaw in your argument. It is going to an impossible task for atheists to gain equal footing with the religious, and rightly so in my view. This is the reason why Trump is lik ...[text shortened]... Christians and Christian principles enshrined in the constitution and in the whole psyche of the US.
Oh yeah sorry I see your argument now ‘might is right’ no arguing with that. Except it’s no argument at all.
You have given no reason as to why you think it’s right.
My argument as to why it’s wrong would be based on things like freedom of conscience and the rank hypocrisy of a whole bunch of Atheists and Agnostics pledging allegiance to ‘one nation under ( an imaginary creature) god’.
@kevcvs57said Oh yeah sorry I see your argument now ‘might is right’ no arguing with that. Except it’s no argument at all.
You have given no reason as to why you think it’s right.
My argument as to why it’s wrong would be based on things like freedom of conscience and the rank hypocrisy of a whole bunch of Atheists and Agnostics pledging allegiance to ‘one nation under ( an imaginary creature) god’.
Thats the problem ... calling peoples God an imaginary creature is not going to endear you to them, and they will deliberately try to screw you over whenever they can, and they will use the bible to support what they do ... so yes, might is right.
@rajk999said Thats the problem ... calling peoples God an imaginary creature is not going to endear you to them, and they will deliberately try to screw you over whenever they can, and they will use the bible to support what they do ... so yes, might is right.
Well from a Atheistic perspective god is an imaginary creature but that’s another discussion but if you cannot accept that then let the bullets fly.
It’s not the responsibility of atheists to change their world view in order to get respect from theists and vice versa people should respect each other despite their views.
The Bible cannot be used to support any argument with an atheist or agnostic because it’s just a story to them but we should be able to accommodate each other. Perhaps their should be two oaths of allegiance, one for the monotheists and one for everyone else that doesn’t include a reference to god.
@kevcvs57said Well from a Atheistic perspective god is an imaginary creature but that’s another discussion but if you cannot accept that then let the bullets fly.
It’s not the responsibility of atheists to change their world view in order to get respect from theists and vice versa people should respect each other despite their views.
The Bible cannot be used to support any argument with ...[text shortened]... legiance, one for the monotheists and one for everyone else that doesn’t include a reference to god.
Its not Christian's responsibility to change the world view of atheists either. Tolerance is the key on both sides and both sides have failed. The thing is Christians expect, some of them hope for, some relish, the day when bullets fly and they hope it will be soon. It would be a sad day for humanity if the bible is true. But all will be well in the end.
@rajk999said The USA is God-fearing nation built on principles of Christianity. Americans should not be afraid to promote the words of the Pledge of Allegiance. If atheists are shy about promoting their atheist faith, then the only reasonable conclusion is that they are unsure of their belief.
Faith is confidence or trust . Atheists trust, or are confident, that there is no God, I know there is a big argument about this but its really a petty one. What is the correct thing to say then?
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