Christians...how do you know that

Originally posted by telerion
That's definitely true. The question had the idea (it was explicit in an earlier form) that you have the choice. So the true God has control but it is giving you the option to escape eternal torture by acknowledging its reality and den ...[text shortened]... vious faiths/non-faith and testify to the reality of the real god.

I said that it would not be up to us, and if it is a final day of
judgment and that god is giving everyone a one last chance to
denouce someone who was not real, why would it matter?

If however it is get it right here or else, it again does not matter
on the day of judgment, because your choice was already made
by you here, and you find yourself getting what your choices have
set you up for.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I said that it would not be up to us, and if it is a final day of
judgment and that god is giving everyone a one last chance to
denouce someone who was not real, why would it matter?

If however it is get it right here or else, it agai ...[text shortened]... nd yourself getting what your choices have
set you up for.
Kelly

I said that it would not be up to us...

the extent to which this harmless question has gone unanswered is now officially profound...especially considering that telerion has gone above and beyond the call to reduce the question down to bare bones and a form that is completely intelligible and unambiguous.

EDIT: you may retort that you have answered it; when i say 'unanswered' i mean that the question is a yes/no question and you have neither answered in the affirmative nor the negative.

Originally posted by LemonJello
[b]I said that it would not be up to us...

the extent to which this harmless question has gone unanswered is now officially profound...especially considering that telerion has gone above and beyond the call to reduce the question ...[text shortened]... and you have neither answered in the affirmative nor the negative.[/b]

[/i]The question as I see it is, if on the day of judgement we see
that it was another God not the one we serve now standing in
judgment. That God says serve me or else? If the truth is shown
to be something other than what I believe there is no choice, it
is go with the truth.
My responce is that our choice, is limited to what God wants and
that is if God gives a choice on that day of judgment that is up
to Him. If God warns us here that there is no turning back, that
too is up to God. I do not see how you view this as not answering
the question, there really wasn't a question as far as I'm concern.
Kelly

Originally posted by telerion
That's definitely true. The question had the idea (it was explicit in an earlier form) that you have the choice. So the true God has control but it is giving you the option to escape eternal torture by acknowledging its reality and denouncing Christ (or for other theists, their previous god(s), for atheists, there non-belief).

I take it from your res ...[text shortened]... least should denounce our previous faiths/non-faith and testify to the reality of the real god.

If they are proven false, why wouldn't we? That is if the proof goes
beyond faith to the no doubt about it range of reality.
Kelly

Originally posted by Coletti
There was a question? Oh, I see it. It came after all the BS, and stupid assertions. I guess didn't think it was a serious question.

Coletti, even a dimwit like myself can see your indignance and flippancy is a defense mechanism. I'll admit that I allowed my own personal bias into the equation by inferring the bible was copied works, thereby raising your ire and precluding you from considering the question. It's too bad you dismiss the notion offhand, though...it makes you look quite ostrich-like.

Originally posted by LemonJello
the extent to which this harmless question has gone unanswered is now officially profound...especially considering that telerion has gone above and beyond the call to reduce the question down to bare bones and a form that is completely intelligible and unambiguous.

Indeed, LJ. I should probably thank telerion for so eloquently taking up the question. I see a few self-proclaimed xtians have answered in the affirmative, although in not so many words...

Originally posted by David C
Indeed, LJ. I should probably thank telerion for so eloquently taking up the question. I see a few self-proclaimed xtians have answered in the affirmative, although in not so many words...

Your position on that day will be what if you find yourself infront of
God? You find that it was not what you thought, that what you thought
was true about life and God was completely wrong. If all of a sudden
you must now make that choice, if God says will you now repent, will
you? Will you go to hell forever or say your sorry and ask to be
forgiven? I don't believe a choice will be offered on that day, but for
this conversation say it is, what will you do? Heaven or Hell with all
that stands between you between the two is simply agreeing with what
you now know it the truth and accepting it, what would you do?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Your position on that day will be what if you find yourself infront of
God? You find that it was not what you thought, that what you thought
was true about life and God was completely wrong. If all of a sudden
you must now make that cho ...[text shortened]... now know it the truth and accepting it, what would you do?
Kelly

is that a yes or a no?

Originally posted by LemonJello
is that a yes or a no?

That was neither, I said yes in an earlier post. You on the other hand
have an answer to the post you just responded too?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
That was neither, I said yes in an earlier post. You on the other hand
have an answer to the post you just responded too?
Kelly

you mean do i have an answer to the question of this thread? the question is directed at christians, so i don't see how i apply. but yes, i would gladly reject jesus to save my hide (i wouldn't even have to do anything out of the ordinary).

Originally posted by LemonJello
you mean do i have an answer to the question of this thread? the question is directed at christians, so i don't see how i apply. but yes, i would gladly reject jesus to save my hide (i wouldn't even have to do anything out of the ordinary).

The question as I understood it was if discovered that you were wrong
in your beliefs, that you found yourself in front of God, one that you
did not serve. For me that would be Jesus because I'm a Christian and
believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Word of God and because of
Jesus I serve God. I have no idea what you believe, so for you it
wouldn't necessarily mean you'd have to reject Jesus unless you serve
him now, for all I know you serve only your desires and personal
tastes, maybe you serve the god Thor, or someone else. I have no
idea, I’m just asking what you’d do if given the choice? I don’t see
the answer as very important, but for some reason you and others do
I guess.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The question as I understood it was if discovered that you were wrong
in your beliefs, that you found yourself in front of God, one that you
did not serve. For me that would be Jesus because I'm a Christian and
believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Word of God and because of
Jesus I serve God. I have no idea what you believe, so for you it
wouldn ...[text shortened]... on’t see
the answer as very important, but for some reason you and others do
I guess.
Kelly

okay, i misunderstood. i do think it's an interesting question. as a weak atheist, i do not claim that god necessarily doesn't exist, just that it is not rational to believe that he does. if on the day i die, some god were to present himself and tell me that i had a choice between joining heaven or suffering for all eternity in hell, then it would be rational for me to admit he exists and join heaven. such an event is, however, still compatible with my current belief system.

Originally posted by LemonJello
okay, i misunderstood. i do think it's an interesting question. as a weak atheist, i do not claim that god necessarily doesn't exist, just that it is not rational to believe that he does. if on the day i die, some god were to present himself and tell me that i had a choice between joining heaven or suffering for all eternity in hell, then it would be ...[text shortened]... sts and join heaven. such an event is, however, still compatible with my current belief system.

I mean no insult by my next question. I realize this has been
discussed before by others, I did see it but didn't bother to
follow it. You say you are a weak atheist, so I'm assuming
that being a weak atheist is different than some other kind,
what ever the other kinds are. My question is, are atheist
breaking into fractional groups with names like weak, strong,
hard whatever it is atheist call themselves, like Christian
denominations do?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I mean no insult by my next question. I realize this has been
discussed before by others, I did see it but didn't bother to
follow it. You say you are a weak atheist, so I'm assuming
that being a weak atheist is different than some other kind,
what ever the other kinds are. My question is, are atheist
breaking into fractional groups with names like w ...[text shortened]... strong,
hard whatever it is atheist call themselves, like Christian
denominations do?
Kelly

your question is perfectly fair. there are actually many different kinds of atheists. the reason for this is because atheism, as a general term, is pretty broad -- it doesn't tell you anything about the person except that he can be characterized by a lack of belief in gods. i guess the main categories would be (weak versus strong) and (implicit versus explicit), but there are other conventions as well. i admit that i probably assume too much in thinking these different atheist types should be quasi-common knowledge. most of my frustration about it comes from people automatically lumping all atheists together. in particular, when i say i am an atheist, most people assume i mean a strong atheist, which assumes too much.

so i would say yes there are many different types of atheists, but i am not sure if i would compare it to different denominations per se.

Originally posted by LemonJello
your question is perfectly fair. there are actually many different kinds of atheists. the reason for this is because atheism, as a general term, is pretty broad -- it doesn't tell you anything about the person except that he can be characterized by a lack of belief in gods. i guess the main categories would be (weak versus strong) and (implicit versus ...[text shortened]... types of atheists, but i am not sure if i would compare it to different denominations per se.

So when you say you are an weak atheist, does that mean your in a little doubt? if so, why?