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Originally posted by rvsakhadeoAs for the British rule, it was rule by contempt for sure but things were not a whole lot better a thousand years before that with the immutable force of the caste system. You claim the caste system is gone from India but I can say for a fact it is not in fact gone, but only somewhat subdued. My son in law is from Tamil Nadu and my co-workers are Gujarati north of Tamil Nadu. They all tell tales of places where there is still a caste system, even in Mumbai.
Nice of you to actually read the Uddhav Geeta, rather call it " Boring " and " Crap ".
For your information, the path does not require that you literally give up everything and become a monk. Who is going to feed the monks if there is nobody to till the fields, you are right about that. What is meant by Vairagya is non-attachment to worldly pleasures. Yo rect experience that you are longing for ! I only hope that the day should not be far-off !
It still seems to me that the guru's have lifted themselves up by their bootstraps for sure but the run of the mill population will never be able to do the same by the limitations of their human genetics.
Humans are limited to an IQ of 100 on average. Even though the actual IQ numbers have been going up around the world is not an indication that actual human intelligence is on the rise, simply we are getting better at IQ tests.
The fact of the matter is no matter how much pithy sayings you tell people, no matter how helpful they are, the majority will take them in and spit them out just as quickly and go back to screwing their neighbors just as before. Humans are just not intelligent enough ON AVERAGE for spiritual messages to take effect on a deep level.
Maybe in another hundred thousand years but not in this or any other century we know about. You may have a village or two living a great spiritual life but the vast majority will have none of it, no matter what country you live in.
For instance, around my neck of the woods, we have Amish, Mennonites, and Pikers (the most conservative of the whole lot) and they live for the most part a very spiritual lifestyle, they put their money where their mouth is spiritually speaking, not that I think for an instant a real god is involved, it is enough for them to THINK its real so for them its real and that is how they live their lives. Even in such an idyllic seeming community where you are really taken care of if you buy into their way of life, there are still bad people and no amount of godly behavior will change that. Plus their population as a whole is slowly dying down so a lot of the younger ones are saying to hell with being Amish, I want a frigging Xbox🙂 They get the chance to live in the outlying community for one year at the age of 18 and then decide if they want to continue with the Amish way of life and the number who succumb to life outside the community is happening faster than new Amish gets born.
One thing I think about the Amish and Mennonites, if the world population crashes due to changing climate and loss of technology, the Amish can go on just as before with not much change, they may survive all of us.
Not that I think that is an ideal way of life, I think it is living with serious blinders but that is how they choose to live and they think they are spiritual.
However, you don't notice many people willingly converting to being Amish either.
The same is probably true for all religions around the world, great for those who buy the story but not so great if they leave it, apostasy in Islam can lead to the apostate getting beheaded and in Scientology, a non-religion if you ask me, you ask for trouble if you leave, people have been known to have been killed for it and ruined financially.
What happens to a Hindu who decides to become say, a muslim? How does the Hindu community react to that person? A true answer please.