19 Jun 09
Originally posted by menace71No,I'm not going to do that .
You can believe in whatever you want but that dose not make what you believe to be necessarily true. Example: You can believe that the earth is flat but that can be proved false. Example:You can believe that if you jump off a building you will not fall and go splat!! But try it & see LOL 🙂 So I would say somethings are absolutes!! I believe you should try to believe in what can be proved at least for metal sanity 🙂
Manny
I'm sure there are plenty of others trying thet approach already
I do like the soounds of metal-sanity. Mental-sanity is even better 🙂
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by menace71Only believe what you can prove? This is not a course in mathamatics is it?
You can believe in whatever you want but that dose not make what you believe to be necessarily true. Example: You can believe that the earth is flat but that can be proved false. Example:You can believe that if you jump off a building you will not fall and go splat!! But try it & see LOL 🙂 So I would say somethings are absolutes!! I believe you should try to believe in what can be proved at least for metal sanity 🙂
Manny
I would say believe what you know to be right or true. Believe what you want to become. After all, it shapes where you are headed, therefore, it is the single greatest aspect of your life.
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by menace71What is accepted as fact in your mind are merely thoughts that go unchallenged. For example, you accpet that the country of India is there even though you may not have ever been there. All you life you have seen pictures and hear people talk about it but never have you encountered someone who said that it does not exist. However, if you did meet some one that said it does not exist you would think him to be a crazy person. However, the more people you encounter that say it exists will cause you to question this belief. In addtion, the more evidence they may bring to you that it does not exist may cause you to sway your beliefs further. Perhaps that is why it says in the Bible that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. This is simply how we are wired so be wary of what you feed your brain....if you know what I mean.
Well I should think that out a bit more. I think the things that are known as fact should be accepted as fact. Reality that is what I meant. I believe a lot of our issues as humans are because we can't accept reality 🙂
Manny
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by menace71BUt that just goes to prove my point. They have zero evidence other than the fact that there appears to be a following of sorts. In fact, you could have been born into a world where everyone thought the world was flat. In such a scenerio odds are you would have believed the same till the day you died unless you took it upon yourself to seek the truth all by yourself.
Man that flat earth stuff is crazy LOL it must be a joke.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by whodeyWe can know that something exist with ever seeing it 🙂 The atom. electrons ect. India. Don't need to see it to know it exist. God if you will.
What is accepted as fact in your mind are merely thoughts that go unchallenged. For example, you accpet that the country of India is there even though you may not have ever been there. All you life you have seen pictures and hear people talk about it but never have you encountered someone who said that it does not exist. However, if you did meet some one t ...[text shortened]... is is simply how we are wired so be wary of what you feed your brain....if you know what I mean.
Manny
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by menace71True. You can use deductive reasoning as evidence even though it is not proof. For example, where did matter come from in the Big Bang when we know that matter cannot be created or destroyed? Where did life come from in a seemingly lifeless universe in which we cannot create life ourselves or even see it being created?
We can know that something exist with ever seeing it 🙂 The atom. electrons ect. India. Don't need to see it to know it exist. God if you will.
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19 Jun 09
Originally posted by whodey
True. You can use deductive reasoning as evidence even though it is not proof. For example, where did matter come from in the Big Bang when we know that matter cannot be created or destroyed? Where did life come from in a seemingly lifeless universe in which we cannot create life ourselves or even see it being created?
Sorry to but in, but I don't think that is deductive reasoning, it is more like a sketch of some of the arguments of natural theology, which are neither valid nor deductive.
19 Jun 09
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Originally posted by whodey…where did matter come from in the Big Bang when we know that matter cannot be created or destroyed?
True. You can use deductive reasoning as evidence even though it is not proof. For example, where did matter come from in the Big Bang when we know that matter cannot be created or destroyed? Where did life come from in a seemingly lifeless universe in which we cannot create life ourselves or even see it being created?
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If the standard most accepted understanding of the big bang is correct, no matter was created or destroyed BECAUSE time began at the start of the big bang. The mater/energy (the two are equivalent at least in this context) wasn’t “created” because it was “always” there i.e. it existed at ALL points in time that exist (and before somebody asks “but was there matter before the big bang”, there was no “before” if the standard most accepted understanding of the big bang is correct because time STARTED then)
…Where did life come from in a seemingly lifeless universe in which we cannot create life ourselves or even see it being created?
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The first living cell must have been spontaneously created from non-living matter -don’t see a problem here.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by menace71…we know that something exist with ever seeing it 🙂The atom. electrons ect.
We can know that something exist with ever seeing it 🙂 The atom. electrons ect. India. Don't need to see it to know it exist. God if you will.
Manny
… (my emphasis)
We know this because of the EVIDENCE and REASON.
…Don't need to see it to know it exist. God if you will.
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There is NO evidence of a “God“.
Therefore you cannot compare the belief that there are electrons with the belief that there is a “God” -one is base on evidence and reason and the other is based on blind faith.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton=================
[b]…we know that something exist with ever seeing it 🙂The atom. electrons ect.
… (my emphasis)
We know this because of the EVIDENCE and REASON.
…Don't need to see it to know it exist. God if you will.
..…
There is NO evidence of a “God“.
Therefore you cannot compare the belief that there are electrons with the belief that there is a “God” -one is base on evidence and reason and the other is based on blind faith.[/b]
There is NO evidence of a “God“.
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You are expecting something in a test tube?
You demand something seen under the microscope or seen with telescope ?