14 Dec 11
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHThis is clearly untrue, because someone who does not agree that there is a creator does not necessarily have to want it to be known, but having being asked by others if they believe there is a creator, and compelled to give an answer, might let his view be known.
Paradox is about as close to the skin without rendering it from the body on this one. The essence of a paradox is to employ circular reasoning or in some fashion or another, make a logical statement which leads to contradiction.
Atheism is a descriptive noun used to label a sub-group of people. An atheist doesn't call himself a person and expect peopl mart--- he'd keep his smart mouth shut and act like he'd never given it any thought at all.
All this person has done is give this view a name for brevity. As established, there are many different creators as defined by many different religions. Which definition does the atheist has to conjure up for them to say, "that is the one I don't agree with" and therefore creating a paradox or circular logic?
An atheist does not need to do such conjuring up, because they don't believe in a creator in general. In other words, all the infinite possibilities you can come up with about what "God" is. An atheists view is that no creator has been adequately defined, the onus is to prove any specific creator exists before they can go any further. Therefore, regardless on if he wants it to be known or not, there is no paradox/circular logic there.
15 Dec 11
Originally posted by lauseyA person doesn't knowingly take upon themselves a label without knowing at least a modicum of the strictures of said label, unless they're simply being facetious, and even then, they must still be somewhat aware of the nature of the label in order for their joke to mean anything to anyone, including themselves.
This is clearly untrue, because someone who does not agree that there is a creator does not necessarily have to want it to be known, but having being asked by others if they believe there is a creator, and compelled to give an answer, might let his view be known.
All this person has done is give this view a name for brevity. As established, there ar ...[text shortened]... regardless on if he wants it to be known or not, there is no paradox/circular logic there.
An atheist is dependent not just on the living God, but the idea of ALL gods, in order for his label to mean anything. Without deity, the atheist is nothing.