31 Oct 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI didn't say we can't comprehend it. Let's not confound the issue. Do you or do you not agree that we will live for eternity an never exhaust all there is to learn and know about God?
then why does Christ state that we should take in knowledge if its impossible to comprehend? why is there a record that has been written if we are not to comprehend it? yes you may not get to know the full extent of Gods ways, but you can certainly grasp it. godhead is not a biblical term, neither Christ nor Paul mentioned the idea, it was unknown to them!
31 Oct 09
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Originally posted by SharpeMotheryes, doesn't the same book also state that the disciples are to be one with Christ, just as he and the Father are one, are we also therefore from your 'logic', to assume that the disciples are also part of the 'Godhead'?
Jesus also says in Joh 10:30 "I and my Father are one." - Jesus Christ.
(John 17:20-21) . . .“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us,. . .
31 Oct 09
Originally posted by josephwactually here are your words here,
I didn't say we can't comprehend it. Let's not confound the issue. Do you or do you not agree that we will live for eternity an never exhaust all there is to learn and know about God?
And no matter how hard anyone tries, no one can comprehend it
does that say that we cannot comprehend it or does it say we cannot comprehend it?
what this has to do with the trinity i do not know, but yes we shall spend an eternity learning about God, whereas you shall spend an eternity trying to comprehend three?
31 Oct 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI like you robbie. I read all your posts. You are knowledgeable and articulate. (not trying to flatter you)
actually here are your words here,
And no matter how hard anyone tries, no one can comprehend it
does that say that we cannot comprehend it or does it say we cannot comprehend it?
what this has to do with the trinity i do not know, but yes we shall spend an eternity learning about God, whereas you shall spend an eternity trying to comprehend three?
I hope you are willing one day, at the right time and place, to engage in a friendly debate about whether or not Jesus is God. It would be interesting to say the least.
31 Oct 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell, Christianity is neither polytheistic or pantheistic. Christians worship one God. We just sometimes disagree about the nature and attributes of God.
Polytheism is it? Not pantheism?
Well I guess you know what I meant - more than one God. Sorry. Even such ego-fueled entities ,such as I ,can learn...thnx
31 Oct 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieKJV says, "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." - This specifically is Jesus praying for unity among believers. Verse 20 says "...for them also which shall believe on me through their word...", and then in that context of believing on Christ through their word He says that He desires all to be one, just as Jesus and the Father are one, in that original context of being like-minded in their beliefs.
yes, doesn't the same book also state that the disciples are to be one with Christ, just as he and the Father are one, are we also therefore from your 'logic', to assume that the disciples are also part of the 'Godhead'?
(John 17:20-21) . . .“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their wo ...[text shortened]... e in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us,. . .
However, "I and my Father are one" is not in the context of Jesus and God believing in the same thing, thus making them of one mind. The context is Jesus talking about God the Father giving Him sheep (Christians), and then He says that no one can pluck those sheep out of His hand once they are saved because God the Father is greater than all, and He IS God the Father, therefore He is greater than all...
"27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one."
31 Oct 09
Originally posted by SharpeMotherVery good, Mother. 😉😏
KJV says, "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." - This specifically is Jesus praying for unity among believers. Verse 20 says "...for them als ...[text shortened]... and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one."