Originally posted by PinkFloydWhen most people (including science students) say “the sun rises” they implicitly mean the sun appears to rise from their viewpoint on the surface of the Earth and don’t mean the sun goes around the Earth.
I believe in absolute truths, but the sun rising and setting simply isn't one of them. The sun doesn't "rise"--as every 7th grade science student knows, it is the EARTH that revolves around the sun. The EARTH moves in relation to the Sun, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYes. The term "the sun rises and sets" is simply a term used to describe an event or a state where certain conditions in our universe are constant and therefore absolute.
When most people (including science students) say “the sun rises” they implicitly mean the sun appears to rise from their viewpoint on the surface of the Earth and don’t mean the sun goes around the Earth.
I don't know why some people have to get hung up on splitting hairs. Anyone with an elementary education knows that the sun doesn't "rise" or "set" anywhere, and that given enough time will probably fail anyway.
To be perfectly honest, I'm trying to get some place with this, but I can't it get to the next level. I don't know if it's me or not.
Originally posted by josephwThere will come a day the sun will no longer rise, nor set, rather all there will be IS Light!
Yes. The term "the sun rises and sets" is simply a term used to describe an event or a state where certain conditions in our universe are constant and therefore absolute.
I don't know why some people have to get hung up on splitting hairs. Anyone with an elementary education knows that the sun doesn't "rise" or "set" anywhere, and that given enough time w ...[text shortened]... ace with this, but I can't it get to the next level. I don't know if it's me or not.
Originally posted by josephwIt's not you--it's the example. Pick a truly absolute truth--something like "it is never acceptable to firebomb an elementary school filled with children" or "taxation without representation is tyranny". Then go from there.
Yes. The term "the sun rises and sets" is simply a term used to describe an event or a state where certain conditions in our universe are constant and therefore absolute.
I don't know why some people have to get hung up on splitting hairs. Anyone with an elementary education knows that the sun doesn't "rise" or "set" anywhere, and that given enough time w ...[text shortened]... ace with this, but I can't it get to the next level. I don't know if it's me or not.
Originally posted by bbarroh really? well my wife knows I am wrong and I know I am right. So tell me smarty pants: If we are both right then we are both wrong, how can that be....my head hurts😞
Don't be silly. I love absolutes. Here is one:
~(P&~P).
That says that no proposition can be both true and false.
The core sentence of the Heart Sutra, not "Divine Law", but a highly respected Buddhist writing, states,
"Emptiness is form and all form is emptiness". The rest of the sutra goes to great lengths to explain that this is NOT a metaphorical statement but an existential statement on how it IS, as understood in the Buddhist (and other kindred traditions).
It is also like saying "Absolute truth IS relative truth and all relative truth IS absolute truth". Many very intelligent people have gone to great lengths to support with much argument what appears on the surface to be a nonsensical statement.
I happen to agree with this nonsense.
Absolute truth is before us in every moment. If it is absolute it is one, not two.
Being "one" any attempt to express it in words or language is problematical because language is always from the start labeling or differentiating one concept or thing from another. BUT even then, when we are struggling with lots of relative words and feeling frustrated as hell, absolute truth is right there in the oneness of it all. The posters here are all a very different mob, (Australian meaning) even when slashing with words, but if it were not so, as in all the "forums" of history, where would be the stage for the denouement of the play to come out?
To make clearer the view I am trying to explain - you are sitting in front of a beautiful scene or listening to music that moves your heart, classical or heavy metal, whatever. The "twoness" person will yabber about it, or grab a camera or start recording it so as to never "lose" the moment (and in so doing does the very thing he wants to avoid).
The "oneness" person will "do" something quite different.
Cheers.
Originally posted by TaomanGreat post 🙂
The core sentence of the Heart Sutra, not "Divine Law", but a highly respected Buddhist writing, states,
"Emptiness is form and all form is emptiness". The rest of the sutra goes to great lengths to explain that this is NOT a metaphorical statement but an existential statement on how it IS, as understood in the Buddhist (and other kindred traditions).
It is ...[text shortened]... oid).
The "oneness" person will "do" something quite different.
Cheers.
Originally posted by TaomanBEAUTIFUL
The core sentence of the Heart Sutra, not "Divine Law", but a highly respected Buddhist writing, states,
"Emptiness is form and all form is emptiness". The rest of the sutra goes to great lengths to explain that this is NOT a metaphorical statement but an existential statement on how it IS, as understood in the Buddhist (and other kindred traditions).
It is ...[text shortened]... oid).
The "oneness" person will "do" something quite different.
Cheers.