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what of the people God Cannot help?When you find one tell me.
Originally posted by knightmeisterThe questions regarding who gets eternal life, you can ignore or start a new thread as they are really a separate topic. I honestly don't expect you to answer them as in all my previous attempts on this forum I have never had a satisfactory answer.
Is there any partivcular point you want me to address first ? You have asked at least 3 separate questions. Maybe if you could prioritise one of them?
Originally posted by knightmeisterSo now we need a new terminology.
God will help anyone who wants to make that choice.
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo someone wants to make a choice, but the actual choice is made by God
So now we need a new terminology.
Prechoice: the desire to make a choice.
So someone wants to make a choice, but the actual choice is made by God, and thus God gets the credit. However, it seems that anyone who prechooses righteously is assisted by God in making the righteous choice and anyone who prechooses unrighteously is not assisted by God. Who doe ...[text shortened]... y the prechoice so why is what God does (or assists with) called 'choice' as it is predecided?
Originally posted by twhiteheadHere is my main question: who makes the choices when we make unrighteous choices, and who chooses whether to make righteous or unrighteous choices?
The questions regarding who gets eternal life, you can ignore or start a new thread as they are really a separate topic. I honestly don't expect you to answer them as in all my previous attempts on this forum I have never had a satisfactory answer.
[b]My point is that we can get credit for righteous choices but God helps us to make those choices.
some don't? Or is God a little unfair and just chooses randomly or by some preset criteria?[/b]
Originally posted by knightmeisterActually all that crap comes from adrenaline. Wait...that means you worship a chemical. I'm having an epiphany! All christians are drugies! Thats why they have no logic...
Is there any partivcular point you want me to address first ? You have asked at least 3 separate questions. Maybe if you could prioritise one of them?
My point is that we can get credit for righteous choices but God helps us to make those choices. For example , if we act courageously to break up a fight where a man is being beaten and put ourselves ...[text shortened]... to the world because our ego cannot stand the idea that we are just channels for righteousness.
Originally posted by knightmeisterAnd here is the heart of your folly. You have a point to make and will make up any amount of nonsense to try and support your point. The problem is that nobody will take your point to heart because it comes on the back of nonsense.
I do not say that we do not have a role in our salvation. I'm just saying that the role we have is a gift to us from God. We can work out our salvation via righteousness but even the righteousness we develop within ourselves cannot be attained without grace. What I'm tryign to point out is that throwing out the idea of grace is a very grave mistake bec ...[text shortened]... hemselves as the source of their own righteousness rather then just a channel of THE source.