Originally posted by karnachz
Just out of curiosity here: if those rights are God-given, then why didn't God *give* them in the first place? Why did humans have to fight for those rights over many centuries against tyrants who would deny us them?

What makes you think God didn't? We are the ones putting each
other into bondage, we are the ones attempting to gain control,
we are the ones that are trying to force our views upon others, and
so on. Humans have not been fighting against non-human tyrants,
but against other humans. We are the ones who deny freedom of
speech if it disagrees with us, we are acting in this universe as we
see fit, and curse God as the results become a bloody mess when
we reap what we sow. God has created a universe where we do what
will, and God has been dealing with us within the boundaries that He
created without taking away our abilities to do what we will.
Kelly

Originally posted by echecero
Whether or not one values life has nothing to do with science. I hold the learnings of scientific research in high esteem...and it has done nothing to alter my respect for other living beings.

The difficulty that would not this same test apply to all contraceptives or even abstinence? The monthly courses could be children of a determinable age, full of p ...[text shortened]... a prescription drugs...especially when active contraceptives are used (spermicide, for example).

The end is the same, abortion; the discussion has been by many at
what time shouldn’t we do it when we will; when does taking those lives
become distasteful? It has been agreed upon that it is at least a
human life, so the discussion has been what standards should be
used, what is the proper time limit to put on it to make abortion
acceptable? Be it easy or hard it is sill taking a life that has already
begun so when it is wrong to kill it, must get that right, because if left
alone everyone will soon recognizes it was valuable.

It is the same life after it is born as it was before, the only difference
is the stage of development it is at.
Kelly