Originally posted by @black-beetle
No sonship, your interpretation is, in my opinion, false.
At Rom. 5:19 the verb kathistamai (I am brought into a condition [of sin, in the context of our conversation] / I have the property [of sin, in the context of our conversation] and thus I become a sinner) is simply a mark of the corruption of the nature.
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I am not sure what you mean by "the context of our conversation". It clouds the matter to me a bit. After that you seem to want to examine credentials. Well, I can tell you up front that I am not a fluent reader or writer of Koine Greek. That's great if you are, IF you are.
We had a Jehovah's Witness here some time ago posturing like he really knew Greek to argue that the Word was not God in
John 1:1. Forgive me if you am not real quickly persuaded of something when Koine Greek is mentioned.
God created the original body of man. The
"body of sin" is something as a result of Adam's disobedience.
Paul speaks not only of the lusts and desires of
"the thoughts" as a source of sinning, but
also the lusts and desires of
"the flesh."
"Among whom we also all conducted ourselves once in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as the rest." (Eph. 2:3)
If the evil of man was solely a matter of the mind, I see no reason why the apostle would speak of
"the desires of the flesh AND of the thoughts". He could
just write about the evil desires and lusts of the thoughts. Right ?
Sin is personified in
Romans 7 as practically and evil "person" working in the fallen body of man driving him to do against the better desires of his mind.
"But if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me." (Rom. 7:20)
if I understand you rightly, you are saying that thing of sin is not a nature. But for a considerable part of
Romans it is a corrupt nature with something of a "life" of its own.
He delights in the law of God in his mind. But a different law is working in his members of his fallen body.
"I find then the law with me who wills to do the good, that is, the evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God according to the inner man,
But I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and making me a captive to the law of sin which is in my members. Wretch man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? " (Rom. 7:21,24)
You know that Jesus Christ had no sin. Right? He knew no sin.
"He who did not know sin he made sin on our behalf ... " (2 Cor. 5:21)
Yet when Jesus came He came in the likeness of
"the flesh of sin".
"God, sending His own Son in the likeness of the flesh of sin ..." (Rom. 8:3a)
He came fully in the appearance of a fallen man yet without that corrupt poison nature which we all possess in
"the body of sin" -
"the body of this death".
Notice Paul also said these passions of sins operated in the
members of the body.
"For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which acted through the law, operated in our members to bear fruit to death." (Rom. 7:5)
The above exegesis is in full accordance with both the accurate meaning of the verb in Koine and the hermeneutics of the Orthodox Greek Christian tradition, and also in accordance with Calvinism.
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Kindly please provide your sources and denomination.
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We do not denominate. We meet as one church for one city as we see in the New Testament. Division of the church universal is only geographical and based on localities.
Here is a FAQ which contains some statement of faith about the local churches.
http://localchurchesfaq.org/