A Covenant That Can't Be Broken.

Originally posted by Nemesio
First, what unique claims did Jews make which were fulfilled?
Second, can you cite any other religion's claims that either not
fulfilled or not specific enough to merit consideration?

Personally, I don't believe that you've studied the prior contracts
such that you can make a positive statement about their claims' not
being valid.

Nemesio

Let me walk you through it:

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
There are actual, specified contracts related to land, progeny and etc., made prior to the granting of any of the same.

Which 'actual, specified contracts' were made and subsequently fulfilled?

While a few of the existing races may be able to do some impressive tracing of their roots, none can lay claim to having prior contracts purposing what they are in retrospect able to trace.

Which existing races have you studied and have ruled out as either 1) not having contracts; and
2) having contracts that were not fulfilled?

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Let me walk you through it:

Which 'actual, specified contracts' were made and subsequently fulfilled?


Which existing races have you studied and have ruled out as either 1) not having contracts; and
2) having contracts that were not fulfilled?

Nemesio

To my very limited knowledge, there are no other races on the face of the planet which were given any convenant with God, let alone five of them. Which race did you have in mind?

Let's review again. You said:

While a few of the existing races may be able to do some impressive tracing of their roots, none can lay claim to having prior contracts purposing what they are in retrospect able to trace.

You have expressed that 'none can lay claim....' This is a positive argument you make
in favor of your claim that the Jewish covenent is unique or special on some way. I am asking
which races or cultures have you traced with a detail approaching the study you have given the
Jewish covenant.

The reason I ask is because I think it is an empty claim. I do not believe you have done any
such study, but you have accepted that the Jewish covenant is ordained by God and have
excluded other races on that basis alone. You have no support to your argument whatsoever;
it's just empty blather.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Being the erudite observer of Jewish traditions, surely you do not require someone as lowly in philosophical stature as me to remind you of the Abrahamic, Palestinian, Davidic, etc., covenants made by God with the Jews.

I'm not the one making the claim. I don't know what covenant you are referring to as being
unique to the Jews and having been fulfilled. I can't examine that claim in contrast with other
races and religious claims or even Nostradamus until you specify what specifically was promised
and what was fulfilled. Just referring to this as 'The Covenant' doesn't inform anyone of anything,
because, as you well know, there are just as many interpretations of what the covenant entails
as there are Jews (or Christians).

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
[b]To my very limited knowledge, there are no other races on the face of the planet which were given any convenant with God, let alone five of them. Which race did you have in mind?

Let's review again. You said:

While a few of the existing races may be able to do some impressive tracing of their roots, none can lay claim to having prior contr ...[text shortened]... many interpretations of what the covenant entails
as there are Jews (or Christians).

Nemesio

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Slight correction. In saying 'none can lay claim', this is actually a negative argument against ALL other races being able to have the same claim as the Jew. Namely, the Jews were given five contracts from God, some of which are already in effect, some to be fulfilled in the future.

You are unfamiliar with logical constucts. When you say 'None can do X,' you are positively
asserting something. For example, if you say 'No penguin can fly,' then you are asserting
something which you can (theoretically) prove.

So, when you say, 'none can lay claim,' you are positively stating that no other race can make
the sorts of general claims that they are favored by God that Jews can.

And so, I'll return to my question: Which other races' histories have you studied closely such that
you can make such a claim?

That being said, if you are privvy to a race of people who have a complementary history, by all means, produce the same.

I am not making the claim. You are. It is your duty to support such an outlandish claim with
something other than the fact that I should trust you.

I exclude no race, claim no people illegitimate on the basis of their non-Jewry. I am simply acknowledging the overwhelming historically obvious: the Jew is unique among the races.

Your last comment is just silly. Of course, the Jewish people are unique. But so are the Asians,
the Celts, the Norse, and the Anglosaxans. So what?

The Bible should be allowed to interpret itself. If you wish to discuss the different convenants, conditional and unconditional, fulfilled and prophetic, that's another thread altogether.

The title of this thread is 'a Covenant That Can't Be Broken.' Which covenant are we talking about?
You must know, you wrote 'There are actual, specified contracts related to land, progeny and etc.,
made prior to the granting of any of the same.' Where are these contracts?

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]Slight correction. In saying 'none can lay claim', this is actually a negative argument against ALL other races being able to have the same claim as the Jew. Namely, the Jews were given five contracts from God, some of which are already in effect, some to be fulfilled in the future.

You are unfamiliar with ...[text shortened]...
Of course, the Jewish people are unique. So what?


Where are these contracts?

Nemesio[/b]

Originally posted by FreakyKBH


The Jew stands as the pivotal race in human history. How's that for unique? Although other races have played prominent roles in the panorama of man's time on earth, none have played, are presently playing, or will in the future play the position of importance as the Jew. Nations rise and fall dependent upon their treatment of the Jew.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
What are you talking about? Most nations of the world past and present have had little to no interaction with Jews as any kind of political force affecting their rise or fall.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Incidentally, your use of "most" may be a little exuberant.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Name one nation in North, Central or South America whose rise or fall has been dependent upon its treatment of Jews.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
None of the named land masses currently have govenrments or societies which openly engage in anti-Semitism.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Did Brazil's rise thus depend on its treatment of Norwegians?

Name one nation in the Far East whose rise or fall has been affected by its treatment of Jews.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
If I assert that no penguin can fly, shouldn't it be rather easy to refute the statement with proof otherwise? [Hint: the refutation would sound something like, "Oh, really? What of the flying penguin of Petaluma?"]

Yes, but just because I don't know of any doesn't mean the statement is or is not true.
So, in the absence of knowing a counterexample, to prove that your statement
has any validity, you have to offer evidence. You have yet to do so.

The Jew stands as the pivotal race in human history. How's that for unique? Although other races have played prominent roles in the panorama of man's time on earth, none have played, are presently playing, or will in the future play the position of importance as the Jew. Nations rise and fall dependent upon their treatment of the Jew.

You're just repeating yourself. How are they unique? What have they done? Say something
definitive, not something elusive.


Three of the five contracts have been named thus far in my previous post. Why not start there?

Where are these contracts stipulated? I can say that the Africans have a magical contract and
it's been fulfilled, going to be fulfilled, and everything else. Would you believe me? Of course,
you'd ask 'Where does this contract come from, when was it penned, what does it say?'

These are my questions.

Nemesio

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
You're running with half the argument, so it's difficult to answer that type of distinction.