06 Dec '19 13:19>
@divegeester saidIf you're going to discount the big miracle of the resurrection, I don't see how you can hang on to any of the other supposed lesser miracles, raising Lazarus, turning water to wine, healing the centurion's servant, etc.
I disagree, if Jesus didn't rise from the dead then he was a liar not a magician. His followers who lied about him rising were manipulative conspirators, bad people who sought to achieve a political end by lying.
There is no "magic".
If you're going to discount the resurrection, then why suppose Jesus lied or performed any miracles at all? Maybe the resurrection bit, as well as all the other supposed lesser miracles, were made up by people later on, to give the story of his life, teachings, and death a weight and poignancy they would not otherwise have had.