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03 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Warming started 300 years ago. My goodness, could it be that humans are involved since the industrial revolution started on that timeframe? Of course you would deny that one.
That is a given.

The real changes have happened in the last 50 years not 300. Do you deny that ramp up in the loss of glaciers? Also a new report is showing the worlds lakes (fre ...[text shortened]... -climate-boost-global-lake-evaporationwith.html

*oh Jesus, he used the word 'alarming' again*
Now you are resorting to unusually stupid arguments. Did cars exist 300 years ago? Are you going to argue man caused it because his horses farted too much?

I remember when the great lakes had lower water levels than average and you argued it was the result of global warming. The water levels returned to normal as they always do. You have egg on your face.

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03 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Now you are resorting to unusually stupid arguments. Did cars exist 300 years ago? Are you going to argue man caused it because his horses farted too much?

I remember when the great lakes had lower water levels than average and you argued it was the result of global warming. The water levels returned to normal as they always do. You have egg on your face.
You have the egg of misunderstanding on your own face and there was significant industrial activity 300 years ago, all based on fires, lots of fires burning up entire forests of wood.

https://www.nps.gov/cato/learn/historyculture/charcoal.htm

That example is only one of thousands of such efforts around the world required for the production of iron on an industrial scale.

Are you now denying such industries existed 300 years ago? In the US, whole mountains were denuded over a large stretch of the entire US and now most forest is second growth, the original wood long gone, chopped out by thousands of loggers and that happens anywhere on Earth there was such production of iron. It was in the 20th century when electricity was produced that stopped such denuding of forests strictly for the production of iron and steel. Now such forests are going away because we have way too many humans on the planet, ten times too many in fact so we are paving over 5000 square miles of land a year just for towns and roads.

Is your head in the sand over that one too?

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04 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
You have the egg of misunderstanding on your own face and there was significant industrial activity 300 years ago, all based on fires, lots of fires burning up entire forests of wood.

https://www.nps.gov/cato/learn/historyculture/charcoal.htm

That example is only one of thousands of such efforts around the world required for the production of iron on ...[text shortened]... re miles of land a year just for towns and roads.

Is your head in the sand over that one too?
You forgot horse farts. Your argument is ridiculous!

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05 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
You forgot horse farts. Your argument is ridiculous!
In other words we are back to your baseless assumption Earth is SO huge mankind could not possibly have an effect on the weather.

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05 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
In other words we are back to your baseless assumption Earth is SO huge mankind could not possibly have an effect on the weather.
Not when the transportation back then was horses and ships powered by the wind. I can't believe you are foolish enough to defend such a losing argument. Give it up.

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05 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Not when the transportation back then was horses and ships powered by the wind. I can't believe you are foolish enough to defend such a losing argument. Give it up.
Did you not remember the part about completely denuded forests a couple hundred or more years ago just for charcoal used to make Iron? Did you not see the photo's of decimated forests? You think somehow that has zero effect on climate or ecology? A bad era for animals and climate too back then. BTW, the CO2 levels have passed 0.4 parts per thousand in the atmosphere as we speak. No big deal for you since you think temp rises before CO2 but you are totally wrong about that.

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06 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Did you not remember the part about completely denuded forests a couple hundred or more years ago just for charcoal used to make Iron? Did you not see the photo's of decimated forests? You think somehow that has zero effect on climate or ecology? A bad era for animals and climate too back then. BTW, the CO2 levels have passed 0.4 parts per thousand in the ...[text shortened]... No big deal for you since you think temp rises before CO2 but you are totally wrong about that.
If you insist on beating this dead horse give me your source of information. This is not going to end well for you.

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07 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
If you insist on beating this dead horse give me your source of information. This is not going to end well for you.
Why? We've been down that road over and over. Regardless of the content or merit of the study, every scientific source of information either supports your pre-existing beliefs or it's wrong.

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07 May 18

Originally posted by @wildgrass
Why? We've been down that road over and over. Regardless of the content or merit of the study, every scientific source of information either supports your pre-existing beliefs or it's wrong.
News at 11.....

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07 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
News at 11.....
What is your source of information?

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08 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
What is your source of information?
Fox news of course, since they NEVER lie.....

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08 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Fox news of course, since they NEVER lie.....
You sure do.

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08 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
You sure do.
So you admit Faux news lies?

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09 May 18

Originally posted by @sonhouse
So you admit Faux news lies?
Fox news promotes war and killing just like the other corporate owned tools of propaganda. I have never liked them.
I was saying you lie.

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09 May 18

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Fox news promotes war and killing just like the other corporate owned tools of propaganda. I have never liked them.
I was saying you lie.
https://www.sciencealert.com/american-cities-losing-30-million-trees-every-single-year-in-stunning-decimation-tree-cover

I guess losing 30 million trees a year is no big deal either.