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http://www.dnarefutesevolution.com/confessions.html
It is extremely improbable that proteins and nucleic acids, both of which are structurally complex, arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time. Yet it also seems impossible to have one without the other. And so, at first glance, ONE MIGHT HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT LIFE COULD NEVER, IN FACT, HAVE ORIGINATED BY CHEMICAL MEANS. (Leslie E. Orgel, "The Origin of Life on Earth," Scientific American, Vol.271, October 1994, p. 78)
Originally posted by VoidSpiritI saw nothing on your referenced website about Dr. Orgel, but I did see the following:
from the site:
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It is extremely improbable that proteins and nucleic acids, both of which are structurally complex, arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time. Yet it also seems impossible to have one without the other. And so, at first glance, ONE MIGHT HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT LIFE COULD NEVER, IN FACT, HAVE ORIGINATED BY CHEMICAL ...[text shortened]... ld be a shamed of yourself for posting such fraudulent claims without checking the sources.
Originally posted by RJHindsof course you didn't see any reference to orgel on that page. you don't have competence for doing research. that page is an excerpt from one of his research papers, the one concerning the quote-mined reference.
I saw nothing on your referenced website about Dr. Orgel, but I did see the following:
"This time span was once considered too short for the emergence of something as complex as a living cell. Therefore, a number of people suggested that germs of life may have come to earth from outer space with cometary dust or even via a space probe sent out by some dis ...[text shortened]... Episode 20). "
Isn't this science fiction? I have been telling you this all the time. 🙄
Originally posted by VoidSpiritSorry, I saw nothing but speculation, which I don't call science. If it is not
of course you didn't see any reference to orgel on that page. you don't have competence for doing research. that page is an excerpt from one of his research papers, the one concerning the quote-mined reference.
of course, you're avoiding the issue that you posted a site that has fraudulently misquoted this nationally acclaimed biologist. he is no lo ...[text shortened]... sference of it. being witless is no excuse, especially since this is not your first offense.
Originally posted by RJHindsWe know that conductions in the early Earth (just before most of the hydrogen in the early atmosphere was lost but just after the oceans formed) that RNA would have spontaneously formed and also microspheres would have spontaneously formed and enclosed the RNA. RNA alone without proteins etc can give a protocell a 'survival' advantage by, for example, giving the outer membrane greater stability thus kick-start evolution.
Sorry, I saw nothing but speculation, which I don't call science. If it is not
science fiction, it comes awfully close. I still think the link I posted is the
truth about DNA and RNA refuting evolution. But I understand why you hang
on to your delusions.
Originally posted by humyhttp://www.dnarefutesevolution.com/self_replication.html
We know that conductions in the early Earth (just before most of the hydrogen in the early atmosphere was lost but just after the oceans formed) that RNA would have spontaneously formed and also microspheres would have spontaneously formed and enclosed the RNA. RNA alone without proteins etc can give a protocell a 'survival' advantage by, for example, giving th ...[text shortened]... experiments these amino acids would have inevitably spontaneously formed in the early oceans.
Originally posted by RJHindsThe fact that neither you nor the idiots running that site comprehend how Biology works or
http://www.dnarefutesevolution.com/self_replication.html
Originally posted by googlefudgeI did not see anything indicating it was a religious website. But since the DNA
The fact that neither you nor the idiots running that site comprehend how Biology works or
that it is a blind process run simply by the laws of physics and not by any intelligence does
not mean that science is wrong just that you don't understand it.
The whole site is (where not lying outright) a big argument from ignorance and incredulity.
The e ...[text shortened]... o engage in reasoned
debate or discussion you simply want to preach your incoherent nonsense.
Originally posted by RJHindsso despite being shown evidence that the site you are posting is fraudulently misquoting known biochemists, which reflects on your own dishonesty, you insist on continuing with your ignorant drivel.
I did not see anything indicating it was a religious website. But since the DNA
evidence has come out there have been atheist scientists who have much more
doubt in their previous beliefs now.
P.S. I believe the guy in the video is describing you when he says, "You
are not thinking, if you believe this happens by accident."
Originally posted by RJHinds“...I did not see anything indicating it was a religious website ...”
I did not see anything indicating it was a religious website. But since the DNA
evidence has come out there have been atheist scientists who have much more
doubt in their previous beliefs now.
P.S. I believe the guy in the video is describing you when he says, "You
are not thinking, if you believe this happens by accident."
Originally posted by RJHinds"...Indeed, Darwinism is nothing but a totally unreasonable, superstitious belief. Anyone with any reason would see the evidence for that great fact by looking at DNA, or any other part of the universe. Human beings and all living things are created by God, the Almighty, who is the Lord of all the worlds...."
I did not see anything indicating it was a religious website.
Originally posted by googlefudgeIt looks to like he is just declaring the truth and he reaches that conclusion
"...Indeed, Darwinism is nothing but a totally unreasonable, superstitious belief. Anyone with any reason would see the evidence for that great fact by looking at DNA, or any other part of the universe. Human beings and all living things are created by [b]God, the Almighty, who is the Lord of all the worlds...."
Then you are blind as well as dumb.
It is a site that peddles creationism which makes it religious by definition.[/b]