24 Nov 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasPlease name one, because I haven't yet heard of any "complex" organism
We might be helpless without memories, but there are complex organisms without memories, and they live their lives nicely.
without even the most rudimentary form of memory.
24 Nov 08
Originally posted by JigtieI'm thinking of trees. Some of them are really big. Like an old oak, or a redwood. They have not memories, they cannot think, but they are more stable lifeform than any mammal.
Please name one, because I haven't yet heard of any "complex" organism
without even the most rudimentary form of memory.
They have DNA as complex as any animal, they have an effective immunosystem, they digest nutriscients directly from the soil, they breath without lungs but with their leaves, they convert sunlight and CO2 to sugars that they convert to cellulose.
We shouldn't understimate these 'creatures'.
24 Nov 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasReally? Fascinating. I must look this up. 🙂
They [trees] have DNA as complex as any animal, they have an effective immunosystem, they digest nutriscients directly from the soil, they breath without lungs but with their leaves, they convert sunlight and CO2 to sugars that they convert to cellulose.
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25 Nov 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydI have also watched TV programs where people have no short term memory. Not exactly the absence of memory as a whole, although it in none the less interesting.....
I heard of a condition on some TV show (maybe Law & Order?) in which a person cannot remember faces. Apparently, he had to find other ways to distinguish people he "knew", which sound terrifying to me. Wouldn't that be almost Alzheimer-like?
26 Nov 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasTrees don't exactly run around and do things where a brain and
I'm thinking of trees. Some of them are really big. Like an old oak, or a redwood. They have not memories, they cannot think, but they are more stable lifeform than any mammal.
They have DNA as complex as any animal, they have an effective immunosystem, they digest nutriscients directly from the soil, they breath without lungs but with their leaves, the ...[text shortened]... CO2 to sugars that they convert to cellulose.
We shouldn't understimate these 'creatures'.
memory would come in handy, it isn't like they run around looking
for things to eat either. They bloom where they are planted, as long
as the conditions can support them or they die if the conditions around
them cannot.
Kelly
26 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJay….Trees don't exactly run around and do things where a brain and
Trees don't exactly run around and do things where a brain and
memory would come in handy, it isn't like they run around looking
for things to eat either. They bloom where they are planted, as long
as the conditions can support them or they die if the conditions around
them cannot.
Kelly
memory would come in handy, it isn't like they run around looking
for things to eat either. They bloom where they are planted, as long
as the conditions can support them or they die if the conditions around
them cannot.…
That is true for most plants but that is also true for certain animals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral
Also, it is not true for ALL plants -some plants CAN travel from place to place! -have you heard of a volvox? :
http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/art97b/volvoxms.html
Also, although most plants don’t travel from place to place, they do move. Have you heard of tropisms?
(mainly phototropism, gravitropism, tigmotropism, hydrotropism and sometimes thermotropism -I learned this when I did my C&G horticultural degree) :
http://www.botanical-online.com/lasplantasmovimientosvegetalesangles.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-tropism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrotropism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermotropism
Also, these are not necessary all slow movements -especially when it comes to tigmotropism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Flytrap
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYou really do have to find ways to agrue with me don't you, even in
[b]….Trees don't exactly run around and do things where a brain and
memory would come in handy, it isn't like they run around looking
for things to eat either. They bloom where they are planted, as long
as the conditions can support them or they die if the conditions around
them cannot.…
That is true for most plants but that is also t ...[text shortened]... ments -especially when it comes to tigmotropism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Flytrap[/b]
times I was agreeing with you. LOL
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJayYou have to think outside your box, KJ.
Trees don't exactly run around and do things where a brain and
memory would come in handy, it isn't like they run around looking
for things to eat either. They bloom where they are planted, as long
as the conditions can support them or they die if the conditions around
them cannot.
Kelly