A chess puzzle! (yes, there is a first for ever...

Shinidoki

Posers and Puzzles

09 Feb 07 01:05

crazyblue

Joined: 29 Apr 05
Moves: 827

09 Feb 07 16:35

Originally posted by pootstick
7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Ne6 Kxe6 9.Qd5 and forces mate ...?

edit: but 8. ... Qf8 might refute this.

But 8. .. Qf8 will lose the Queen. Or do we have to find a mate? I thought just a win for White. So I think it's already been solved. Here is the rest I the variations from my posting above...

7. Ne6 Kxe6 8. Qd5+ Kf6 9. Qf5#

7. Ne6 Qf8 8. Nxf8 wins Queen

7. Ne6 Qe8 8. Nc7 Qf8 (8.. Qd8 9. Qd5+ Kf8 10. Ne6+ Kf7 11. Ng5+ Kf8 12. Qf7🙄 9. Qh5+ g6 10. Qd5+ Kf6 11. Bg5+ Kg7 12. Ne6+ wins Queen

Don't see a way for Black to keep the Queen.

pootstick

Joined: 03 May 05
Moves: 10684

09 Feb 07 16:36

1 edit

Originally posted by Fat Lady
7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Ne6 Qf8 9. Nxc7 looks crushing for White.
e.g. 9. ... Qf8 10. Qh5+ g6 11. Qd5+ Kf6 12. Bg5+ and White picks up the queen with a knight fork.

yeh, course. Nc7 was the move i missed..

crazyblue

Joined: 29 Apr 05
Moves: 827

09 Feb 07 16:37

Ahh, 2 people were a few minutes quicker 😉

pootstick

Joined: 03 May 05
Moves: 10684

09 Feb 07 16:44

1 edit

Originally posted by Mephisto2
7.Ne6!, immediately attacking the queen.

as mephisto points out, this is much better than playing Qh5+ first

edit: no hope in hell that i could pick out this combination otb! 🙁

Shinidoki

Joined: 21 Feb 06
Moves: 6500

09 Feb 07 16:55

yep fat lady & mephisto got it.

This was my first Otb game against a master, and I was rather dissapointed and shocked to lose so quickly....

thats the last time I try something 'new' in the opening.

Fat Lady

Joined: 21 Feb 06
Moves: 6830

09 Feb 07 17:03

A friend of mine, Tim Kett, who has represented Wales in Chess Olympiads, experimented with Philidor's Defence for a while. He had quite a few disasters of this sort and spent a long time finding lines for Black which just about held. It all looked just horrible to me.

sonhouse

Fast and Curious

slatington, pa, usa

Joined: 28 Dec 04
Moves: 53419

09 Feb 07 18:51

Originally posted by pootstick
do you mean ... Ne6, KxN . i think that seems the same as mine.. but does Qf8 instead of KxN escape?

Yeah, I meant N-e6 but if Q-f8, white has Nxc7+, 2 variations, 1...K-f6
Q-f3+, K-g6 Q-f5#, or Nxc7+ K-e5, Q-d5+, K-f6, B-g5+, K-g6, Q-f5#.

Sickboy

Joined: 29 Aug 06
Moves: 6850

10 Feb 07 07:27

1 edit

Originally posted by crazyblue
In your line after 9. Ne6 then 9. .. Nb6 looks even better. It also attacks queen, but at the same time the bishop controls e6 again preventing the move repetition by Ng7+/Ne6+. If White doesn't have this forced draw anymore, Black is already better (a piece up for a pawn).

But now, since White has to win, I'm not sure if 8. Qd5+ or already 7. Qh5+ was e Black cannot counterattack White's queen. I will look at it again when I'm less tired 😴

Yeah... Nb6 is definately better... I see the solution now. For some reason, I was thinking Ne6 needed to be prepared but now I see it's better to do it almost immediately.