10 Sep 06
Originally posted by YugaQxe6 instead of Bxe6.
I agree with jfkjmh.
Taking a quick look here...
Ng4 doesn't look as good.
It looks like White may win a pawn by playing Ng4, but if White takes the pwn - his King remains uncastled - and may not be able to castle, and will be behind in development (Ng4, fxg4, Bxe6, Kh8, Bxg4?, Nc6)
The Nd7 tactic may only work if black moves his knight to Nc6 and the Black king stays on Kg8. So the Nd7 tactic does not look feasible here.
Why don't you like Ng4?
11 Sep 06
Originally posted by RahimKI see you are ranked much higher than me and i still don't understand why this doesn't win a piece for white. I think this is the best. 1. Nd7...Nxd7 2. Be6+...Kh8 3.Bxd7
ME!
Bxe6 is a bigger blunder then Qxe6.
But the point is that 1.Nd7 is huge blunder.
11 Sep 06
Originally posted by pizzinteaOkay that line you gave isn't best but lets just use it. Look further now.
I see you are ranked much higher than me and i still don't understand why this doesn't win a piece for white. I think this is the best. 1. Nd7...Nxd7 2. Be6+...Kh8 3.Bxd7
3.Bxd7 Rf7
Now the threat is Re7 pinning your queen to the king and winning it or Rxd7 winning the bishop.
11 Sep 06
Originally posted by RahimKI prefer the plan Bd2 followed by O-O-O, intending Bc3. White would have the initiative. I need to calculate the lines further.
Qxe6 instead of Bxe6.
Why don't you like Ng4?
I don't like Ng4 because the Black knight is very strong on e5.
Okay, Qxe6 instead of Bxe6. 🙂
Then obviously Kh8...(if QxQ, BxQ+, and wins pwn safely)
If Qxg4, Nc6, and White's King is hanging out to dry, Black is much better developed...
If Qxf6, gxf6, and the game should come peacefully to a draw without the Queens on the board.
If c3, (necessary before developing the Bishop...), Qd8!?, Qxg4?!, Nd7, Bd2, Re8+, Be2, Nf6, Qf3, Qe7 and Black has a big initiative.
11 Sep 06
Originally posted by RahimKshow me the move that refutes it.
1...Bb4+ is a huge blunder. It gives white the advantage.
The only move for black after 1.Nd7 is Nxd7.
But 1.Nd7 is a horrible move to begin with.
I don't even know what the point of Bb4+ is to begin with.
11 Sep 06
Originally posted by tomtom232What is the point of 1...Bb4+ anyways?
show me the move that refutes it.
1.Nd7? Bb4+? 2.Kf1 Nxd7 3.Bxe6+ Kh8 4.Bxd7 Rad8 5.Ba4
White is winning here.
Compare that to this:
1.Nd7? Nxd7! 2.Qxe6+ Kh8 3.Qxf6 Nxf6.
Clearly Black is better in this line.
So 1...Bb4+ is a bad move.
11 Sep 06
Computer program time.
Fritz 8, 30 seconds thinking Ng4 is better 0.60 for white.
50-60 seconds thinking Bd2 is better 0.60 and Ng4 drops to 0.40ish.
2 minutes thinking Ng4 is better 0.60, Bd2 is 0.40 and after that it stay that way.
What does your program show? Ng4 or Bd2 better and how much?