Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
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[Date "2006.11.28"]
[Round ""]
[White "Richard"]
[Black "Jessica"]
[TimeControl "1200"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.c3 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.Be2 O-O-O 7.O-O Qh5 8.Re1 e6 9.Bg5 Bd6 10.g3 Be7 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.Nbd2 Qd5
13.Nb3 Rhe8 14.Nfd2 Bxe2 15.Qxe2 Qf5 16.Qe4 Qh5 17.Rad1 Kb8 18.Nf1 Rd5 19.Ne3 Rb5 20.Qg4 Qxg4 21.Nxg4 Be7 22.Ne5 Nxe5 23.dxe5 Kc8 24.Rd3 Rf8 25.f4 Rb6 26.Red1 Ra6 27.Ra1 Re8 28.Nd2 Bc5+ 29.Kg2 Be7 30.b4 h6 31.a4 b5 32.a5 Rc6 33.Nb3 Rc4 34.Rad1 a6 35.Nd2 Rc6 36.Ne4 Kb7 37.Rd7 Kc8 38.Kf3 Rc4 39.h4 h5 40.R1d3 g6 41.R7d4 Rc6 42.Ke2 Kb7 43.Kd2 Kb8 44.Kc2 Kb7 45.Kb3 Ka7 46.c4 Rb8 47.c5Re8 48.Rd7 Kb8 49.Rxe7 Rxe7 50.Rd8+ Kb7 51.Nf6 Rxc5 52.bxc5 c6 53.Ne8 Ka7 54.Nd6 Rc7 55.Rf8 Rd7 56.Rxf7 Rxf7 57.Nxf7 Kb8 58.Ng5 Kb7 59.Nxe6 Kc8 60.Nf8 g5 61.hxg5 Kd8 62.Ne6+ Ke7 63.Nd4 Kd7 64.f5 Kd8 65.Nxc6+ Kd7 66.Nb4 Ke8 67.Nxa6 h4 68.gxh4 Kd7 69.Nb4 Kd870.a6 Kc7 71.g6 Kb8 72.g7 Ka7 73.e6 Kb8 74.g8=Q+ Kc7 75.a7 Kb7 76.Qb8# 1-0
Originally posted by hahahaaaaI don't know if you understand the position you have just described. You King can NEVER "do a long walk and capture both rooks". So why did you say that!? Your knight can win a rook, but that's NOT what you said!
Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
[fen]3R4/1kp1rp2/p1r1pNp1/PpP1P2p/1P3P1P/1K4P1/8/8 b[/fen]
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[Date ...[text shortened]... b4 Kd870.a6 Kc7 71.g6 Kb8 72.g7 Ka7 73.e6 Kb8 74.g8=Q+ Kc7 75.a7 Kb7 76.Qb8# 1-0
I believe I said, if a rook does not take a pawn. If you look carefully, you can see that my king could enter in on the H file by exchanging pawns on that end and then proceed to travel on the eighth rank and take the rooks. Of course, Ng8 would be good, and both rooks would be in danger, but I was relating how impotent the rooks were. At that point I could choose to try to have fun.
Isn't it a lot easier just to use the knight to take the rooks anyway????
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Originally posted by arrakisYou missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
I don't know if you understand the position you have just described. You King can NEVER "do a long walk and capture both rooks". So why did you say that!? Your knight can win a rook, but that's NOT what you said!
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
Originally posted by leppy786Let me help. Black is White's female canine here, if you catch my drift. If Black refuses to sacrifice a Rook, White can eventually take the Rc6 by using Zugzwang - get the wK to d7, take all of Black's other stuff, and wait for ...Ka7.
What????
This post does not make sense to me. Can someone please explain to me how exactly can the king take both the rooks when one of them is guarded by the opponents king?!!
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI didn't miss anything. The king can NEVER capture both rooks! And the knight move is so simple... so the talk about the king gobbling up the rooks was in error.
You missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemThanks. This was exactly my whole point, I know it's easier to use the knight, but I again repeat that I was just pointing how impotent the rooks were. It's zugzwang up the ying-yang. I thought it would be a fun thing to show. I wasn't trying to start a debate. Sometimes I like to have fun with the computer when I have a won position. If you look at the game continuation, you will see that my knight starts picking off pawns and I end up with 6:1 pawn advantage, not because I had to, but because I decided I can.
You missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
PS Please explain to me how the king cannot enter.
I hate to post again, but I can't help it. Black's only moves without sacrificing a rook are to move his king or move his g-pawn. My king can walk to f3 and I will then play g4. If black takes my king gets in. If black doesn't, I take on g5. If his g-pawn then takes on g5, I move my rook to h8. Black's only move would be his king. My rook takes on g5 and then returns to h8. Then my king will walk over and take the rook on e7. I will then walk over to d7 and wait. Black's only move is his king. When the timing is right, I will slide my rook to somewhere like h8 and bring it down out of the way, so that when i take the rook on c6 it won't be stalemate.
Not necessary, but fun.
Originally posted by hahahaaaaNg8 wins a Rook in 1 from this position...
Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
[fen]3R4/1kp1rp2/p1r1pNp1/PpP1P2p/1P3P1P/1K4P1/8/8 b[/fen]
[Site ""]
[Date ...[text shortened]... b4 Kd870.a6 Kc7 71.g6 Kb8 72.g7 Ka7 73.e6 Kb8 74.g8=Q+ Kc7 75.a7 Kb7 76.Qb8# 1-0