Originally posted by greenpawn34Just testing to see if the quote button worked. Yup I guess so.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
Just testing.
I thought the fen thing was not working in this thread.
It's a bit rude to ask any potentially interested reader to go back
to the first post, play out the game and then follow the threads to see
the postition you lads are talking about.
Adding a diagram with ...[text shortened]... want to let the pawn go rather than tie down my 'b' to the
defence of a mere pawn.
Maybe its more polite to not be a sarcastic...well you know what? Or maybe I have to spell it out like everything else for you;D
Go ahead and actually read the thread if you like. If not, too bad you can't put out any effort yourself. It's disrespectful to make the OP do all the work for you. I mean really is it that hard to click on the thread which takes you to the first post with the game staring you in the face?
But, just to humor a clown.
******I might want to let the pawn go rather than tie down my 'b' to the
defence of a mere pawn*****oh my where is a fen I thought you said it was working how will I figure out what you are talking about?
Oh, nm. 1.r-c2, b5 2. rxd2, and if b6 r-b2 and if a6 r-a6 go ahead and push your pawns- I will gladly take them
Originally posted by Mad Rookno it wasn't....52.Bxg3,k-d5 53b6, k-c6 54c7, r-g8 and a pawn can not advance without losing the b pawn and the game
Yep, 45.Bb6 was best; 45.b4 was next best.
It's just too bad that you dismissed 51.Bxg3 so quickly - because it [b]WAS winning for White.[/b]
Hi Erikido.
Because of the lack of diagrams all you get is confusion.
And you are confused.
Mad Rook states:
It's just too bad that you dismissed 51.Bxg3 so quickly...
You reply with the wrong move number. '52.Bxg3'
Are you both looking at the same position?
Your reply
no it wasn't....52.Bxg3,k-d5 53b6, k-c6 54c7, r-g8 and a pawn can not
advance without losing the b pawn and the game.
This is the position Mad Rook is talking about.
And he suggests 51.Bxg3 banking on the two pawns beating the Rook
and keeping the h-pawn on the board.
If your 52.Bxg3 is meant to be 51.Bxg3 then the line you give is a loser
(and illegal, there is no white c7 in the position).
54c7 (your c7 must be b7)
So from the diagram and following your answer to Mad Rook
51. Bxg3 Kd5 52. b6 Kc6 53. b7 Rg8
White wins:
54 b8=Q Rxb8 55. Bxb8 Kb6 56. a7 Kb7 57. Kh3
However, I think because of the lack of diagrams you are looking at
Mad Rooks suggestion as it was played in the game 51.hxg3 hxg3 52.Bxg3.
Which is drawn as the same line with the h-pawns exchanged is a draw.
Ending thus.
I am not sure where you get this from;
"....and a pawn can not advance without losing the b pawn and the game."
At the very worse for White it will be a K+R v K+B a theorectical draw.
Without diagrams it is hard to understand what you are talking about.
I was pointing out in my own little way. (I am what I am and I aint changing)
that diagrams would have enhanced the discussion on this end game 100 fold.
You cannot expect the players on here to read a post and jump back to
the main game, read another post, jump back, read on and jump back.
I would not do that even if Morphy himself posted a game.
You have to respect that some players do find it difficult to follow
a game in their head without a board.
Also diagrams would have brought more players into the discussion and it
would have avoided completely the mis-understanding between you and Mad Rook.
thanks for the explanation... i actually didnt think of 51.Bxg3. it is a beautiful move! believe me, i haven't fully understood it (found some wine from xmas party - merry xmas, wohooo! - and am so not sure...anyways...if black would take the bishop, white would promote? or why doesnt black just eat the bishop?)
anyways, eri, you seem a bit sensitive, gps note was directed at both, towards crazy castle (sorry, feeling funny) and you. your posts gave the impression, that you also didnt consider 51... if master of alliteration, crazy castle, would have posted a diagram, i would have understood a bit more...
blablabla... humans are quite visual people. seeing is believing. and not everyone has the same capability of yours to imagine algebraic notation.
anyways...! again! the bishop sacrifice looks really nice. learned something 🙂
Originally posted by greenpawn34And I was pointing out in your way that you complained about not using diagrams(when you actually have the ability of using the fens) and then proceeded to not use a diagram. I figured a sarcastic fellow like you would appreciate the irony. Oh well.
Hi Erikido.
Because of the lack of diagrams all you get is confusion.
And you are confused.
Mad Rook states:
[b]It's just too bad that you dismissed 51.Bxg3 so quickly...
You reply with the wrong move number. '52.Bxg3'
Are you both looking at the same position?
Your reply
no it wasn't....52.Bxg3,k-d5 53b6, k-c6 54c7, r-g8 and sion and it
would have avoided completely the mis-understanding between you and Mad Rook.
*I was pointing out in my own little way. (I am what I am and I aint changing)*
I could argue that you can't change my not using diagrams about me-but I won't go that root. I will simply say I don't know how to use the fens. This is one of the things I don't like about this site, there are other unnamed sites which are much easier to post diagrams and games for those not familiar with the fen and don't feel incredibly inclined to learn.
At any rate- it wasn't the lack of diagram. I just made a bad assumption that he meant bxg3 on 52(which doesn't really change the position all that much from 51. bxg3 except that you have a bishop). I haven't looked at it yet but it should still be a draw for black I think you pointed out if memory serves me correctly.
Originally posted by erikidosince i haven't yet learned about fenning, i have to stay without a diagram...
after looking at 51... Bxg3 52. hxg3, b6 53. k-d5, b7 54. r-h8 a7 55. gxh, black queens one of the pawns but it seems he will be getting mated after q-h1+. Translate to a diagram greenerpawn?
after 55. ... gxh Kg8!
queening a pawn seems a bit hasty...
Originally posted by tharkeshOnce you sac the bishop there is no time for moving the king because of k-c6 stopping the pawns and winning the game- unless of course I am missing something like usual.
since i haven't yet learned about fenning, i have to stay without a diagram...
after 55. ... gxh Kg8!
queening a pawn seems a bit hasty...
I did mean there is no time for 55... k-g8(pawns haven't both reached 7th rank yet if you play k-g8).
Originally posted by erikidoi dont see the flaw in what you say there...but Kc6 doesnt stop the pawns, no? they seem to just do their thing... because the rook is already bleeding...
51... Bxg3 52. hxg3, b6 53. k-d5, b7 54. r-h8 a7 55. gxh
it seems to me, that the bishop sacrifice wins just that bit of tempo, necessary to turn draw into win...
edit: bottle already three quarts down, can't keep up much longer without pictures...
by the way, is no joke, just some minutes ago i got an invitatian to this:
http://www.embo-embl-symposia.org/symposia/2011/EES11-01/index.html
seeing is believing... i mean, i think, they got CONFERENCES on that...
coincidences. i tell you, coincidences...
Originally posted by tharkeshafter k-c6 it makes contact with the b7 pawn(if you want to queen you have to play a7 after which the king takes the b pawn). If you push the b pawn again the roook just takes it.
i dont see the flaw in what you say there...but Kc6 doesnt stop the pawns, no? they seem to just do their thing... because the rook is already bleeding...
it seems to me, that the bishop sacrifice wins just that bit of tempo, necessary to turn draw into win...
edit: bottle already three quarts down, can't keep up much longer without pictures...
by ...[text shortened]... . i mean, i think, they got CONFERENCES on that...
coincidences. i tell you, coincidences...
Originally posted by erikidoif ... Kc6 54. pxc8=Q
after k-c6 it makes contact with the b7 pawn(if you want to queen you have to play a7 after which the king takes the b pawn). If you push the b pawn again the roook just takes it.
no wine anymore. have to go to bed. please refer from now on to
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?subject=chess_and_alcohol&threadid=136401
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Originally posted by erikidoI'm a little confused. Seems you have the colors reversed. Do you mean that White queens one of the pawns but White will get mated after ...h1=Q+ ? If so, I think White's solution is
after looking at 51... Bxg3 52. hxg3, b6 53. k-d5, b7 54. r-h8 a7 55. gxh, black queens one of the pawns but it seems he will be getting mated after q-h1+. Translate to a diagram greenerpawn?
51. Bxg3 hxg3 52. b6 Kd5 53. b7 Rh8 54. a7 gxh2 55. Kh1