10 Jun 09
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsNc3
Continued From Thread 113620
34. ... Bxd4 35.Nxd4
Black To Move
[fen]8/p2Rpp1k/6p1/6Pp/r2N3P/5P2/P1P5/2Kn4[/fen]
The Complete Game
[pgn]1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.Kb1 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.g4 b5 15.b3 b4 16.bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3 Qc7 18.h4 ...[text shortened]... 28.Bf2 Nc3 29.Rd2 Rb4 30.Nb3 Ra4 31.Kb2 Ne4+ 32.Rd4 Nxf2 33.Rxd7 Nd1+ 34.Kc1 Bxd4 35.Nxd4[/pgn]
e5 is the only other move I can see as a candidate, but I think white can force a winning king/pawn endgame after that or go into a rook/pawn ending up a passed pawn.
10 Jun 09
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Originally posted by ptoblerHow about 35...Ne3 36 Kb2 Ng2 instead of ...Nf5. 36...Ng2 looks better at first glance to me - we don't get our pawns doubled as we do after 36...Nf5 gxf5 etc. and we can capture the h4 pawn and obtain a passer on the h file. Then we might consider how to meet 37. Nc6 following on from that.
Our plan at this move earlier was 35...Ne3 - followed by 36.c3 (36 Kb2 Nf5 37 Nxf5 gxf5 38 Rxe7 Kg6 39 Kb3 Rxh4 40 c4; 36 Rxe7 Rxd4 37 Rxe3 Rxh4). I vote 35...Ne3 provisionally
Maybe 37...Nxh4 38 Rxe7 Kg7
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by Big Orange CountryI have posted some of it - some of it wasn't so clear to me - but just follow the threads at the top of PaulBuchmanFromFICS' posts back about 4 posts until you find big summaries of a plan by macpo and ResigningSoon...
oh... I was not here so many moves ago...
what is the rest of the "plan"?
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by ptoblerwhat about this line:
I have posted some of it - some of it wasn't so clear to me - but just follow the threads at the top of PaulBuchmanFromFICS' posts back about 4 posts until you find big summaries of a plan by macpo and ResigningSoon...
Ne3 Rxe7 Rxd4 Rxe3 Rxh4 Re7
and now if Rh1+ Kd2
or if a5, Ra7
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by ptoblerWe don't have to worry about the doubled pawns. I posted an analysis in a previous thread that shows that Nxf5 is bad for white. Generally, when there are a few squares between the pawns that are doubled you get a great dynamic advantage even in the endgame. Later on we give up the pawn for tempo and a good placement for our rook. We will be down a pawn but have a winning game! 😲
How about 35...Ne3 36 Kb2 Ng2 instead of ...Nf5. 36...Ng2 looks better at first glance to me - we don't get our pawns doubled as we do after 36...Nf5 gxf5 etc. and we can capture the h4 pawn and obtain a passer on the h file. Then we might consider how to meet 37. Nc6 following on from that.
Maybe 37...Nxh4 38 Rxe7 Kg7
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by tomtom232Is it possible that we could have this earlier analysis posted here to refresh our memories? That would be great
We don't have to worry about the doubled pawns. I posted an analysis in a previous thread that shows that Nxf5 is bad for white. Generally, when there are a few squares between the pawns that are doubled you get a great dynamic advantage even in the endgame. Later on we give up the pawn for tempo and a good placement for our rook. We will be down a pawn but have a winning game! 😲
10 Jun 09
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Originally posted by ptoblerEdit: (what i said first was just wrong, so i deleted it) and can someone help me out and refute the Rxe7 line i gave earlier?
Is it possible that we could have this earlier analysis posted here to refresh our memories? That would be great