I don't like 13. ... Qg6 for black. Probably loses after 14.Qxf5+ Qxf5+ 15.Rxf5+ Kg6 (or Ke6) 16.Bxh8 Kxf5 17.Rf1+ or 16. ... Bg7 17.Bxg7 Kxf5 18.Rf1+. Material is even but black is totally undeveloped.
It is not clear to me wether 13. ... Bc5 14.Kh1 helps black or not. I would think not
So only remaining option is the line (or variations on that) we have been discussing starting with 13. ... Qxe5. I am already going to look at various lines after 14.Qh5+: where to put the black king.
one Qxe5 variation that I haven't seen discussed..
13...Qxe5 14. Qh5+ Ke7 15. Rad1
This line looks clearly winning for white to me. Black is forced to trade his queen for a rook, and the knight on the f-file can't hold. White woud have a developed rook, knight, and queen attacking black's virtually undefended and open king.
What am I missing?
Originally posted by Mephisto2I woudln't resign as black....I just wouldnt feel comfortable playing it. Im still rooting for black. I want to see him survive this.
You guys must be very good. I believe in white's chances but unlike you, I fail to see a forced win yet. Resigning now as black would be absurd in my humble opinion.
Originally posted by Dragon Firewhat would you play if you weren't to resign?
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3
6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6
11. Bxf4 Ne7 12. Nc3 Nf5 13. Be5 [b]Black resigns.
Only choice! (see prior analysis)[/b]
Originally posted by Dragon FireI wouldn't go quite that far! Though the line you give does seem to be very plausible, leading to something like this (white to move):
Black resigns.
Only choice! (see prior analysis)
I don't fancy black, but it's not resignable. Yet.
Originally posted by Dragon FireAfter QxB 14.Qh5+..Ke7 15.Rxf5..Qd4+ 16.Kh1..d6 17.Re1+ the threat is mate with the queen on e8, which can only be stopped by giving up the black queen. 1-0
OK I concede it is not really time to resign (I was being sarcastic) but white certainly has the best of it.
Black must play QXB. I don't think there is anything else.
edit - I realize in DF's line the Q checks again on g5 Which is better. Just posting a line I was looking at. 16..d6 is not as good as 16..Kd8, which is the reason for the in-between 15.Qg5+. This took for ever to make sense to me... and maybe Im still wrong :-)