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23 Apr 11
Originally posted by vivifyImagine it another way that keeps the king's absolute value and so retains that essential element of the game: How much will the queen be worth if her moves are the same as the king's -- but she is expendable, can give check directly, and can move into and/or remain en garde, none of which apply to the king (noting that she cannot castle)?
Let's suppose we were to rate the king based purely on it's ability to move, the same we judge the other pieces. How much would the King be worth? Would you say it would be worth more or less than the knight?
Based on nothing else but the King's ability to move, I'd say it's worth maybe 2.5 points.
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Originally posted by vivifyStronger than a minor piece + 1 pawn. Only Slightly weaker than a rook.
Let's suppose we were to rate the king based purely on it's ability to move, the same we judge the other pieces. How much would the King be worth? Would you say it would be worth more or less than the knight?
Based on nothing else but the King's ability to move, I'd say it's worth maybe 2.5 points.
23 Apr 11
Interesting question. I always gave the K a value of 2.5 but must admit that's inadequate.
Though it may be only an acedemic exercise, compare 2 Kings v 1 King to King+Minor Piece v King in the ability to bully the opposing King around the board. It's far easier to manipulate the opposing King with 2 Kings.
A value of 4 seems reasonable, but I'd hate to go up against 4 pawns with only my King, even if the opposing King is off in a corner and out of play.
So I suggest his value is more than 3 but not quite 4 ?!
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24 Apr 11
Originally posted by SchumiYou can't, AFAICT. That's why I noted that the pawn needs to be well-placed.
I'm not sure if you can do it with a d or e pawn though.
Of course, with the pawn on any file, you can use the queen to corral the king away from it and then promote the pawn, with an instant mate, but that wasn't really the point.
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Originally posted by Blackeyed PawnConnected pawns, or isolated? Back at row 7, or all the way down the board at rows 2-4? Four connected pawns at their opponent's half of the board are worth much, much more than four "pawns". Four isolated ones back on their own home squares, in the end game when the king is free to attack, are worth nearly diddly-squat.
A value of 4 seems reasonable, but I'd hate to go up against 4 pawns with only my King, even if the opposing King is off in a corner and out of play.
Richard