13 May 08
Originally posted by WulebgrAnd it should be remembered that interesting advances in previously dead-end lines published in openings books often refer to recent correspondance or email games.
Bravo. Here SwissGambit highlights a key point of ethics succinctly and with impeccable logic. That his argument goes against nothing on the other side, for no one has advanced an ethical argument against database use, is irrelevant. It still helps to understand why databases should be permitted, as they indeed are.
So to those interested in specific opening theory & indeed chess in general, the benefit of CC & book seems to be cyclical.
13 May 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireYou believe I have never bothered to read a book... and that I argue against them... why? And just because I make mistakes and lack 30 years of experience does not mean that I am a pathetic player and therefore you can tar me with a rubbish player brush. Seriously, I have no idea why you decide to accuse me of not reading anything, and also many people have achieved 1800 without reading a book at all. Lighten up.
Everything I said to him applies equally to you or indeed any other player who has never bothered to read a book and argues against their use.
Of course your rating hasn't stabilised yet so I don't know if its 1400 or 1800 or more but I guarantee that if its the top end of this range or better and you claim not to have used books that you are lying. O ...[text shortened]... books and if you were to claim you did not use books or DBs here I would be highly supicious.
13 May 08
Originally posted by SwissGambitWrong. It is a form of cheating to use chess books and databases in real time to help one decide their next move. In an OTB game this would be considered cheating, and rightfully so, your example is forced and artificial.
Even if the argument is, "Who cares if everyone allows book/DB use in CC chess - it's still unethical", that is easily dismissed. CC games can go on for years. Do we really expect CC players to ignore all the opening improvements found in their favorite opening lines? After all, they'd better avoid studying them, because they've got games going on with t ...[text shortened]... way to do it is to allow all players to look at all books and DBs at any point in the game.
13 May 08
Originally posted by eldragonflyHow can it be cheating if it is allowed i.t.o. the rules? Don't you bother to read anything?
Wrong. It is a form of cheating to use chess books and databases in real time to help one decide their next move. In an OTB game this would be considered cheating, and rightfully so, your example is forced and artificial.
If it was cheating everyone here who has confessed to using books and DBs would be banned from the site, myself, Korch, wormwood, Wulgar, etc. but they have not been because they are not cheating.
Its only cheating to play 1. g4!! or 1.b4!! because these are not covered very well in books and you soon get out of any DB.
13 May 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireDF you do realise "he" isn't really listening to any of this.
How can it be cheating if it is allowed i.t.o. the rules? Don't you bother to read anything?
If it was cheating everyone here who has confessed to using books and DBs would be banned from the site, myself, Korch, wormwood, Wulgar, etc. but they have not been because they are not cheating.
Its only cheating to play 1. g4!! or 1.b4!! because these are not covered very well in books and you soon get out of any DB.
Actually I reckon he couldn't give a toss with regards to the database issue.
He's just a troll as I suspected quite early on, who's found a way of winding much better chess players up.
Every time you quote him or reply directly to his posts in any way he probably starts humping his fist, rather than trying to improve his chess.
This is my last post in this rather pointless thread.
