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Originally posted by RagnorakWell, the BNP got an election broadcast so somebody must think they are a legitimate party.
I don't think there is such a thing as an unbiased organisation, when it comes to thugs like these. I know it mustn't be fun seeing your friends in the spotlight, but they deserve to be there. By the way, your party are being allowed to have their say as well. They're just in news a lot at the moment because of their ongoing trial.
[The BNP needs to b ...[text shortened]... ck-up its slogan ‘Rights
for Whites’ with well directed boots
and fists.” Nick Griffin
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It seems that you and Starrman think the BBC should be unbiased except for...people you don't agree with!
By the way, they aren't my party - I'm not a member.
Originally posted by FavsI cannot agree that to form poltical agendas based on the colour of someone's skin is a view that should be accepted on any level. This isn't a free speech thing, this is about stamping out racism. There is NO justifiable excuse for racism, it is just pure, base hatred. And I can't believe that modern society still has such appllingly retarded views in it.
The license isn't for watching the BBC. It is for receiving the broadcast signal (see above)
As much as I hate the BNP (and they are very close to home at the moment, in Leeds) it goes against all my principles of free speech to accept that they should be censored. The two principles of the party that are being prosecuted at the moment are not being so fo ...[text shortened]... s that we didn't like, most members of the main parties would have to be permanantly gagged...
Originally posted by StarrmanThat's democracy for you - you can oppose a political party, argue against or ridicule its views, campaign against it, etc. but you cannot say it cannot exist anymore than you can say the Tories cannot exist if you support the Labour Party.
I cannot agree that to form poltical agendas based on the colour of someone's skin is a view that should be accepted on any level. This isn't a free speech thing, this is about stamping out racism. There is [b]NO justifiable excuse for racism, it is just pure, base hatred. And I can't believe that modern society still has such appllingly retarded views in it.[/b]
If the majority of people agree with you, they will never get any power anyway.
Originally posted by StarrmanI agree with you - except the "public" agenda of the BNP was not about people's skin colour. They wanted to slow down all immigration, whether it was Europeans, Asians or Australiasians.
I cannot agree that to form poltical agendas based on the colour of someone's skin is a view that should be accepted on any level. This isn't a free speech thing, this is about stamping out racism. There is [b]NO justifiable excuse for racism, it is just pure, base hatred. And I can't believe that modern society still has such appllingly retarded views in it.[/b]
However, I am not saying for a minute that I do not think that the BNP are fundamentally rascist, because I think their recruitment policy thrives on the fact that they are.
However, I still do not think it is right that you can stifle free speech.
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Originally posted by invigorateYes, the tracker vans would detect what frequency your TV is tuned into, so they even know what channel you are watching.
No Slow, you wouldn't get done.
Apparently they have tracker vans that can tell when you are watching tv.
EDIT: This brings along another point. If you never watch the BBC channels, does that mean you are exempt from a TV license?
Originally posted by FavsWho's censoring the BNP?
The license isn't for watching the BBC. It is for receiving the broadcast signal (see above)
As much as I hate the BNP (and they are very close to home at the moment, in Leeds) it goes against all my principles of free speech to accept that they should be censored. The two principles of the party that are being prosecuted at the moment are not being so fo ...[text shortened]... s that we didn't like, most members of the main parties would have to be permanantly gagged...
I heard their speeches.
2 young white girls are raped every day, ALWAYS by gangs of young asian males. Old women are violently robbed every day, ALWAYS by young asian males. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Originally posted by Favs“Burn, burn, burn the paki – ear-ly in
I agree with you - except the "public" agenda of the BNP was not about people's skin colour. They wanted to slow down all immigration, whether it was Europeans, Asians or Australiasians.
the morning.” BNP and National Front
supporters at a demonstration outside
Finsbury Park mosque.
"Britain does not have the tradition of
intellectual fascism which is such a
factor in other countries. While I do
have a number of proposals to rectify
this deficiency, the truth is that this is a
handicap which we can never
overcome completely.” Nick Griffin, at a
meeting where he thought he was
speaking to the French National Front.
“A proud white supremacist who will
do anything to see this great country
do anything to get rid of all ethnic
minorities.” Mark Collett’s “Friends
Reunited” entry.
“Perhaps one day… by being more
subtle … [and] if we tell ‘em really what
multiculturalism has meant and means
for the future, then perhaps one day
the British people might change their
mind and say that every last one [non-
whites] must go.” Nick Griffin, Chairman
of the BNP, addressing a meeting of the
far-right in America including members of
the Ku Klux Klan.
You were saying?
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As I said before, I do not tolerate, condone or agree with the BNP personally, but I will defend free speech.
Everyone is appalled with the way Tony and his cronies have run roughshod over this country in the last decade or so, and we have the right to speak out about it - however vehemently or personal it gets. If this right was taken away I dread to think what kind of police state would have to live in. Is Big Brother just a taster of what real life might be like in the future? Biometric GPS ID cards that can tell you're every move?
Microphones with Voice Recognition on every street corner with a national database of people's voiceprints?
George Orwell got it right - he was just ahead of the game by 30 years or so.......
Originally posted by lauseyIn theory, if you de-tune your tv of the two bbc channels, you should be able to argue a case for exemption from the licence, but it will involve going to court to prove your case.
Yes, the tracker vans would detect what frequency your TV is tuned into, so they even know what channel you are watching.
EDIT: This brings along another point. If you never watch the BBC channels, does that mean you are exempt from a TV license?
You would probably have to go to european court of human rights, but as this as a gross misuse of what is [i]supposed[i] to be about serious abuses of basic human rights, I wouldn't recommend it.
Originally posted by VargWhich is the only way that a political party should be seen off.
That's democracy for you - you can oppose a political party, argue against or ridicule its views, campaign against it, etc. but you cannot say it cannot exist anymore than you can say the Tories cannot exist if you support the Labour Party.
If the majority of people agree with you, they will never get any power anyway.
Like it or not, and I sure like most of you I don't, they do have their appeal to certain individuals. Whether it is their entire support, or appeal to certain topical issues, they do represent what some of the population is thinking. And if I go to watch the football these days, I'm probably more likely to see someone wearing something showing support for them than any other party. Quite possibly as they need to be more vocal these days due to limited appeal.
There appeal does need to be addressed, other parties need to be able to inform that their is a large racist element to the party, and even if they may have a good point on some issues, they dress it up in so much racism, that it should no longer stand.