Flynn Effect

Originally posted by josephw
The physical senses, knowledge of the truth and experience.

And maybe just a little common sense and a bit of reasoning. I'm not going to spend all day proving an assertion with a statistical analysis of the state of man's condition.

I think the only reason for asserting the idea that "we've been getting smarter" is due to the increase and availabilit ...[text shortened]... why you think we're "getting smarter"? Or that there is even such a thing as the "Flynn Effect"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_realism_(psychology)

Originally posted by Great King Rat
I suppose it matters how IQ is measured.

How about making a healthy meal without relying on pre-packaged food, for instance?

Or how about fixing something yourself when it's broken?

I wonder if we've been getting dumber in those kinds of aspects.

That is the Robert Heinlein effect.....

Originally posted by FMF
So you've got no objective or empirical evidence to back your "The reality is society is getting dumber" thing?

Yes. I'm getting smarter, so I know everyone else is getting dumber. 😉

Originally posted by josephw
Yes. I'm getting smarter, so I know everyone else is getting dumber. 😉

A genuine attempt to explain what you claimed would have been more interesting.

Originally posted by KnightStalker47
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_realism_(psychology)

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That's what came up when I followed the third link. Somebody really smarter must have made a mistake! 😉

Originally posted by KnightStalker47
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_realism_(psychology)

The second link lead to more success. I found a list of "cognitive biases". Really brilliant. Psychologists must think everyone's insane. That's good to know since we're all getting so much smarter.

Originally posted by KnightStalker47
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_realism_(psychology)

The first link was even more interesting. In fact, I read it into a recorder to play back when I go to bed. No point in wasting time falling asleep.

Originally posted by FMF
So you've got no objective or empirical evidence to back your "The reality is society is getting dumber" thing?

Sir,
Just read the forums! 😛

Kind Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR

FMF to josephw: So you've got no objective or empirical evidence to back your "The reality is society is getting dumber" thing?

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Just read the forums!

No. The forums were the same 10 years ago as they are now. So it doesn't support josephw's claim.

Originally posted by FMF
No. The forums were the same 10 years ago as they are now. So it doesn't support josephw's claim.

Sir,
Try to get out of your tunnel vision and look more closely! 😉 A lot of the smart people we had back then are gone!!! What replaced them not so great, lets put it that way!

Kind Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR

Originally posted by FMF
So you've got no objective or empirical evidence to back your "The reality is society is getting dumber" thing?

How about the guy in a self driving car that ran into a truck? He was watching a Harry Potter movie and not paying attention to the road.

He was intelligent enough to procure and operate the latest in modern technology, but apparently lacked the common sense to understand that new technology doesn't necessarily mean safe technology. He died in the crash so he doesn't have the benefit of learning from his mistake, and for all we know he might have had a higher than average IQ.

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Try to get out of your tunnel vision and look more closely! 😉 A lot of the smart people we had back then are gone!!! What replaced them not so great, lets put it that way!

I think the nostalgia about these forums overrates what was actually going on and is propagated by those still here who are some combination of mean spirited, lumbering, malcontented and artless, and probably always have been. I think the forums were much of a muchness 10 years ago.

Originally posted by lemon lime
How about the guy in a self driving car that ran into a truck? He was watching a Harry Potter movie and not paying attention to the road.

He was intelligent enough to procure and operate the latest in modern technology, but apparently lacked the common sense to understand that new technology doesn't necessarily mean safe technology. He died in the cras ...[text shortened]... it of learning from his mistake, and for all we know he might have had a higher than average IQ.

An anecdote is not empirical evidence.

Reminds me, then there is poke man or pokey man craze that is going on now. A couple of people walked off of a cliff, & a number other bad things have happened. I'll look it up when I have some free time. Don't know if you've all heard about it.

Kind Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR

Originally posted by FMF
An anecdote is not empirical evidence.

Is not empirical evidence of what?