Originally posted by wolfgang591. Eye-level? What does that mean. Nothing to do with height since both I and the man standing on my shoulders can look at the same horizon.
1. Eye-level? What does that mean. Nothing to do with height since both I and the man standing on my shoulders can look at the same horizon.
2. In a flat-Earth there would be no horizon. The earth and sky would get closer and closer together but never meet.
3. Why put pineapple on a perfectly good pizza?
Sitting on the shore of water, the horizon (where the sky appears to meet the land) is straight in front of our view.
Stand up, the horizon doesn't drop: it remains straight ahead.
Climb a tree, straight ahead.
Climb Mt. Everest: straight ahead.
Felix Baumgartner opens up the hatch to step out and free fall from 128,000' above the earth: straight ahead.
With someone standing on your shoulders (assuming you and your boyfriend are both 6' tall), your horizon is nearly three miles out.
His is 4.2 miles out.
2. In a flat-Earth there would be no horizon. The earth and sky would get closer and closer together but never meet.
The sky and the earth technically always meet.
The horizon is simply the appearance of a line, but it marks where the eye can no longer distinguish anything on the surface.
With aid, the eye would be able to distinguish further and the horizon would appear to be further beyond the point the unaided eye was able to see.
On a spherical earth, the horizon on the shore for a person 6' tall is, as stated, nearly three miles away (assuming a flat surface in front of the observer).
In that three miles, the earth should have dropped below the observer by four feet... but such is not the case.
The horizon appears straight in front of the observer, not below him, thus indicating--- at very minimum--- the formula for the curvature of the earth is in error.
Another possible indication: the earth is waaaaaay bigger around than currently held.
Most likely indication: the earth is not a sphere.
3. Why put pineapple on a perfectly good pizza?
You are def not from the States.
This is a perfectly good pizza, my uninformed combatant:
Canadian bacon, pineapple and cashew, with the pineapple put on after the pizza has been cooked.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHBe that as it may, but when the previous thread was mentioned earlier on this thread you did sound pretty flustered...
I invite anyone to read it.
Yep: that sounds pretty flustered.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
That's right, MF-er: I'm the winner up in here.
You're the loser.
Lou--ew-ew-ew-ewwww-ser.
And do you know why?
(Of course you don't! That's why you're such a LOSER at this whole game after all, am I right? Of course I am.)
You're a loser because you are on (wait for it)
THE WRONG SIDE OF REALITY.
See that off in the distance, barely perceptible just on the horizon?
That is reality.
You're way back there in the dark, waiting for the dawn of reason to slowly add warmth and light to your downcast face.
Look up!
Look up, MF-er!
The sun is coming up way up there toward reality!
Come feel its warmth, buddy!
No, people!
Do NOT listen to MF-er and read the thread!
Do you hear me?
Do NOT read that thread!
I'm warning each and every one of you!
Don't get me angry!
You will NOT like me angry!
[MODS ONLY: How can we get that thread deleted, like now?]
One, I happen to like avocado.
Two, sadly, my chest is several hairs short of hairy.
Three, like a lot of several hairs.
Four, did I not make very, very clear that I do not want anyone, ever to read that thread?
Five, stop bringing that thread up.
Six, if I have to take hair from my ass and put it on my chest, does this warrant a recount?
EDIT: Do you get the feeling you're the douche bag in the situation?
I'm going to go out on a limb here, MF-er, and suggest it's because you're so tone deaf that things need to be repeated.
Plus, you're a little (just the teensiest bit, so don't let it detract you from your day-to-days) daft.
Huffing and puffing until you stop with this incessant harassment.
It's almost like you're raping me through the internet.
Should I call the police?
I'm starting to feel something... like I'm being violated or turned on--- can't tell which.
Hey!
Look at all those democratic votes flooding this thread with "That ol' bastard MF-er was right!"
I'm sure you have a point.
Care to share it with the class, or are you going to keep it to yourself while you sit in the corner?
Ah.
And (if your analysis is correct), I lost that debate miserably.
NOW I see why you're so intent to point people that way.
Unfortunately for you, the only thing that was exposed was a complete failure on the part of the six people decrying a flat earth in their ability to defend their belief in a globe.
Take another swing, won't you?
They're nearly free...
...and all this desperately unfunny huff & puff merely because a link was posted to a thread where all this was debated before. 😉
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Originally posted by sonhouseTake a look at that video I found for you.
So you have no answer to Coriolis. That figures since there IS no answer to that if flat Earthers insist Earth is not spinning.
Good luck rationalizing that one.
You are the one with cognitive dissonance not me. I actually read books and have made some discoveries on my own along the way.
Start at around 00:52.
Since, as with the other video I posted for youyou won't watch it, I'll quote the demonstrator of this video:
"... when the bullet leaves the barrel of the gun, it is actually leaving the surface of the earth.
So as the bullet leaves the barrel of the gun, the earth is still rotating, and the bullet is not rotating with the surface of the earth, so the earth will actually rotate out from underneath the bullet while it is in flight."
Hmmm...
Let's think about this for a few ticks.
Something leaves the surface of the earth, so it is no longer rotating at the earth's speed.
Makes sense, right?
Originally posted by FMF"Desperately unfunny?"
Be that as it may, but when the previous thread was mentioned earlier on this thread you did sound pretty flustered...
[quote]Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
That's right, MF-er: I'm the winner up in here.
You're the loser.
Lou--ew-ew-ew-ewwww-ser.
And do you know why?
(Of course you don't! That's why you're such a LOSER at this whole game after all, a ...[text shortened]... y huff & puff merely because a link was posted to a thread where all this was debated before. 😉
Hey: don't blame me for your lack of humor.
When it comes to anything you have to offer, old chap, there is absolutely zero which could possibly render me desperate, let alone flummoxed.
You're just a petty annoyance which offers others around you (quite a few, from the reaction you engender) fodder for folly.
Compounding it all, you're so comically tone deaf, you post something which stands as Exhibit A against your claim.
Give it another whack, by all means.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHDude, you know pineapple is a fruit right?
[b]1. Eye-level? What does that mean. Nothing to do with height since both I and the man standing on my shoulders can look at the same horizon.
Sitting on the shore of water, the horizon (where the sky appears to meet the land) is straight in front of our view.
Stand up, the horizon doesn't drop: it remains straight ahead.
Climb a tree, straight ahe ...[text shortened]... Canadian bacon, pineapple and cashew, with the pineapple put on after the pizza has been cooked.[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHMore huff & puff.
"Desperately unfunny?"
Hey: don't blame me for your lack of humor.
When it comes to anything you have to offer, old chap, there is absolutely zero which could possibly render me desperate, let alone flummoxed.
You're just a petty annoyance which offers others around you (quite a few, from the reaction you engender) fodder for folly.
Compounding it all, ...[text shortened]... st something which stands as Exhibit A against your claim.
Give it another whack, by all means.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHMost likely, you are brainwashed. For instance, Coriolis effects cannot happen on a non spinning Earth and your flat Earth you claim does not spin.
[b]1. Eye-level? What does that mean. Nothing to do with height since both I and the man standing on my shoulders can look at the same horizon.
Sitting on the shore of water, the horizon (where the sky appears to meet the land) is straight in front of our view.
Stand up, the horizon doesn't drop: it remains straight ahead.
Climb a tree, straight ahe ...[text shortened]... Canadian bacon, pineapple and cashew, with the pineapple put on after the pizza has been cooked.[/b]
Then Mercury just recorded passing in FRONT of the sun and if your idea of the sun is it is a thousand miles up and somehow charged with going around pancake Earth then Mercury must be visible to us since it would be a LOT closer than the moon. But the thing is, radar would show the sun being 1000 miles away and we know radar already shows the moon a quarter million miles away and we get radar from Mercury also at tens of millions of miles away.
Your counter: The speed of light is wrong. Even though 200 years of experiments prove the exact speed and that in a vacuum is ALWAYS the same speed but only varies in a medium but it seems only YOU and your buddies know the truth, that the speed of light is actually a variable.
Here is the deal: You have to go against more and more known facts about the universe in order to keep your fantasy going. It only takes one refutation to make the whole house of cards fall down but you cannot accept ANY such thing, for instance you say the moon is not a quarter million miles away but you are just giving your opinion, you have ZERO in the way of proof. You also have ZERO in the way of proof the sun is a thousand miles away and if that were true, modern science would know that as a fact and probably already have probes going around it and radar blips from that distance.
There are so many things you have to refute that is what I refer to as cognitive dissonance.
It is not me with that malady, because I can smell the coffee quite well and have seen ISS go by overhead with my own telescope, something you would probably not even look through if it went by overhead and you could just look through it to see for yourself.
You would just go 'I don't need to look through your stupid telescope, you have it rigged to just LOOK like the ISS is overhead' so now I am part of this vast international conspiracy also.
So you think you DON"T have cognitive dissonance?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHOk, mr Phd of physics. You tell ME what is happening that they HAVE to compensate for that effect AND different compensations for different directions that would not happen if Earth was not in fact spinning,
Take a look at that video I found for you.
Start at around 00:52.
Since, as with the other video I posted for you[hidden] which clearly demonstrated zero curvature over six miles thereby validating Rowbotham's Bedford Level experiment[/hidden]you won't watch it, I'll quote the demonstrator of this video:
[i]"... when the bullet leaves the barrel of th ...[text shortened]... the surface of the earth, so it is no longer rotating at the earth's speed.
Makes sense, right?
AND aircraft DO have to compensate EXACTLY the same way especially going north, south or halfway between, any change northerly or southerly will put Earth spinning underneath them and the path they need to fly HAS to compensate for that effect.
Just another effect of physics you have to deny, one of many many facts you have to deny to keep your fantasy going.
Do you think, for instance they are what, lying, about the need for such Coriolis correction?
If shooting north or south in the northern hemisphere, the effect is opposite in the southern hemisphere, how do you account for that FACT JACK?
Also, why do you have to have a non-spinning Earth in the first place?
How do you propose to account for another fact you know for sure, the night sky going by at night at its predictable rate never changes, Sirius goes by at the same rate as Arcturus and such every night so if Earth doesn't spin I guess you would have to think the entire universe spins around Earth which you think is the center of the entire universe, just like they did 3000 years ago.
This is cognitive dissonance: The FACT you know the sky goes by at a given rate every night and you have to rationalize that to a non-spinning Earth.
THAT is exactly what cognitive dissonance is all about, when you KNOW one fact that contradicts what you THINK is going on but keep thinking the thought that is getting contradicted, IE, that Earth is not spinning in your mind but you KNOW the sky goes by at night.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhen you're done with your little tizzy, let's talk about what he said in the quoted section.
Ok, mr Phd of physics. You tell ME what is happening that they HAVE to compensate for that effect AND different compensations for different directions that would not happen if Earth was not in fact spinning,
AND aircraft DO have to compensate EXACTLY the same way especially going north, south or halfway between, any change northerly or southerly will put ...[text shortened]... contradicted, IE, that Earth is not spinning in your mind but you KNOW the sky goes by at night.
Originally posted by FMFIt is truly an honor to be witness to your creative genius; it's as though everyone gets accustomed to just how spectacular your production of brilliance truly is, and then you go and do something like this... a whole 'nother level.
More huff & puff.
I don't know what disciplines you've put yourself to in order to achieve this summit, or if you're just naturally gifted, but you are--- without question--- a force to behold.
Had I a fedora, to you it would be forever tipped, m'lady.
Originally posted by sonhouseI understand you may be running short on your meds, but do try to stay focused, won't you?
Most likely, you are brainwashed. For instance, Coriolis effects cannot happen on a non spinning Earth and your flat Earth you claim does not spin.
Then Mercury just recorded passing in FRONT of the sun and if your idea of the sun is it is a thousand miles up and somehow charged with going around pancake Earth then Mercury must be visible to us since it ...[text shortened]... f this vast international conspiracy also.
So you think you DON"T have cognitive dissonance?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf you don't think this is nonsense you are beyond help.
[b]Sitting on the shore of water, the horizon (where the sky appears to meet the land) is straight in front of our view.
Stand up, the horizon doesn't drop: it remains straight ahead.
Climb a tree, straight ahead.
Climb Mt. Everest: straight ahead.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI am simply showing you a number of reasons you are dead wrong, and that IS my focus.
I understand you may be running short on your meds, but do try to stay focused, won't you?
You simply have too many contradictions in your fantasy world to hold in one head.
1, Coriolis effect because Earth is spinning.
2. Sun way too close but moon still hot when it should only get 1/60,000 of what Earth gets if the sun is near Earth.
3. Mercury goes by in front of the sun, imaged.
4. see over horizon because of and ONLY because of optical effects of Earth having a rather dense and variable density atmosphere. That will NEVER happen on the moon, whether or not you think people landed there.
5. People DID land on the moon and the proof is the photoreflector that was planted on the surface of the moon allowing a laser to send photons moonward and a few photons make it back to the telescope allowing a measurement of the distance to the moon within inches and seeing directly the moon receding from Earth about 1 inch per year.
6. There have been several circumnavigations of Antarctica which isn't allowed in a flat earth since in that fantasy, it would be impossible to circumnavigate because of the ice wall at the end of the world.
So if you think that is lack of focus, fine, you have yet to answer those known facts.
Oh yeah,
7. the speed of light is in fact 186242 miles per second or 299,752,458 meters per second exactly which has been verified by thousands of scientists around the world.
8. NASA has actual images of ALL of Antarctica but of course they lie so you can't believe your own eyes, it's all fake to you.
NASA always lies but you ignore all work done by all the other space faring countries most of whom would LOVE to catch NASA in a lie, which to you then you conclude, they must be in on the big secret also.
Do you see what a hole you dig yourself into?
Oh, 10, the night sky moving around us every night without fail.
For that to happen with a flat non-spinning Earth, the entire universe has to spin around US so flat Earth to you is exactly as perceived by the ancients who thought Earth the center of the entire universe.
Originally posted by sonhouseSince you're out of your depth on all of them, let's just start with the first one since you brought it up.
I am simply showing you a number of reasons you are dead wrong, and that IS my focus.
You simply have too many contradictions in your fantasy world to hold in one head.
1, Coriolis effect because Earth is spinning.
2. Sun way too close but moon still hot when it should only get 1/60,000 of what Earth gets if the sun is near Earth.
3. Mercury goe ...[text shortened]... you is exactly as perceived by the ancients who thought Earth the center of the entire universe.
Go back to my comment which quoted the video and respond to it, please.