Originally posted by sh76
===Abortion is and should be legal.===
Great. That's your opinion. (It also happens to be my opinion in many cases.) But that's not the only legitimate opinion out there. Some people sincerely believe that abortion is murder. There are certainly colorable arguments to be made in favor of that argument and believing it does not make one a "regressive idiot," back at the Kansas legislature by introducing an insincere bill in the Ohio legislature?
There are certainly colorable arguments to be made in favor of that argument and believing it does not make one a "regressive idiot," just a person with a different opinion that you have.
You completely misunderstand me. I'm not calling the people who make logical and coherent arguments against abortion regressive idiots. I'm calling those that take on the view that the ends of preventing abortions justifies the means of FORCING women to undergo unnecessary procedures and putting through other stupid and regressive legislation all under the banner of ending abortion regressive idiots.
The problem is that in most/all of these legislatures we are not seeing people making logical and coherent arguments against abortion, they are putting forward legislation whose purpose is to shame women who dare try to get a legal procedure.
If they truly had such a noble and right cause then they wouldn't have to lie and try to implement legislation to force doctors to lie in order to achieve it.
This clown who introduced the Viagra bill doesn't really believe that men need a rectal exam and to be counseled on the benefits of celibacy before filling a Viagra prescription.
Do you think I don't know that? The problem is that a woman who want/needs an abortion also doesn't usually need to have a transvaginal ultrasound and be forced to look at it in order to have an abortion but they wanted to force this too. Heck.. if you're going to force one unnecessary medical procedure just to put someone through a hurdle then what's good for the goose is good for the gander and vice versa.
I think it's a much sadder comment on that legislature that the clown who introduced the forced ultrasound legislation actually DOES think his legislation is necessary.
So, your position is that it's appropriate for an Ohio legislator to get back at the Kansas legislature by introducing an insincere bill in the Ohio legislature?
My position is that it is as much of a waste of taxpayer money as their slut shaming via unnecessary ultrasound legislation and it serves it's purpose - not to actually pass the legislation, but to point out and demonstrate the absurdity of both pieces of legislation. I don't like it from the standpoint of it being a waste of taxpayer money, but I think it's one way of pointing out the absurdity of their opposition.
Legislators debate legislation that has no chance of passing all the time after all.