Was the USSR Communist

Was the USSR Communist

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Originally posted by normbenign
Humans love gangsta! Always have.
Dims really want to elect Bernie cuz he's a socialist but can't seem to get passed the fact he is a Jew.

So I guess Hillary will win.

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Originally posted by whodey
Dims really want to elect Bernie cuz he's a socialist but can't seem to get passed the fact he is a Jew.

So I guess Hillary will win.
Hillary is a converted hillbilly. How she ever gets a pass for her inaction regarding Benghazi is beyond me, or a host of other slimy deals that tend to take the focus off the worst one.

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Originally posted by normbenign
Hillary is a converted hillbilly. How she ever gets a pass for her inaction regarding Benghazi is beyond me, or a host of other slimy deals that tend to take the focus off the worst one.
The powers that be are tired of empty suits.

Now they want an empty dress.

Obama could have pulled it off if only he had the legs for it.

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Originally posted by whodey
The powers that be are tired of empty suits.

Now they want an empty dress.

Obama could have pulled it off if only he had the legs for it.
Obama probably had better legs than Hillary. Remember they both prefer pant suits.
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Originally posted by normbenign
Hillary is a converted hillbilly. How she ever gets a pass for her inaction regarding Benghazi is beyond me, or a host of other slimy deals that tend to take the focus off the worst one.
What did you expect her to do, run to the defense of the ambassador, assault rifle in hand? Maybe she could have dodged some bullets like she did in the Balkans.

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Originally posted by JS357
http://dbzer0.com/blog/misunderstanding-communism-its-not-ussr/

Quoting in entirety:

Overwhelmingly, most people’s understanding of what Communism is, comes from an extremely propagandistic presentation of the Soviet Union, generally by US right-wing sources. This would give you the idea that communism is supposed to be very authoritarian, rigidly collec ...[text shortened]... apitalism, where there is a monopoly or oligarchy with the military and police power to enforce.
No.
The basis of communism is that the workers have control over production and an equal say in distribution.

The USSR was the exact opposite.

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Originally posted by JS357
I know of no state that I would opine is now, or ever was, a communist state. A successful "communist revolution" seems always to leave a cadre in charge who has to operate as a dictatorship "for a while", and then can't quite ever stop being dictatorial, with the cause, and effect, being that the communist state never materializes.

I formed this opinion i ...[text shortened]... required to take in high school (it was propaganda a la J. Edgar Hoover) and it hasn't changed.
That's because you can't have communism without first having capitalism.
Capitalism evolves into communism (dialectical materialism), it's not an alternative.

The USSR and China never were capitalist.

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Originally posted by normbenign
Obama probably had better legs than Hillary. Remember they both prefer pant suits.
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What a short memory I have.

Cankles doesn't have the legs for a dress either. Instead, she prefers those "Dr. Evil" monocolor jump suits.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
That's because you can't have communism without first having capitalism.
Capitalism evolves into communism (dialectical materialism), it's not an alternative.

The USSR and China never were capitalist.
So what you are saying is, without capitalism, Marx is without a job.

Interesting.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
No.
The basis of communism is that the workers have control over production and an equal say in distribution.

The USSR was the exact opposite.
So, what are you saying "No" to? If it's the thread title, read the article.

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Originally posted by JS357
So, what are you saying "No" to? If it's the thread title, read the article.
I'm responding to the thread title. I can't be arsed reading the article (well, I can, but just don't have the time).

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Originally posted by whodey
So what you are saying is, without capitalism, Marx is without a job.

Interesting.
Correct.

It's the friction between the producing class and the parasitical classes (bosses, priests, bankers, etc.) which leads to communism.

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Originally posted by JS357
So, what are you saying "No" to? If it's the thread title, read the article.
Okay, read the article.
Yeah, it's correct.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
I'm responding to the thread title. I can't be arsed reading the article (well, I can, but just don't have the time).
Well you pretty much don't (didn't) have to cuz your thinking is similar to the writer's.

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Originally posted by JS357
I know of no state that I would opine is now, or ever was, a communist state. A successful "communist revolution" seems always to leave a cadre in charge who has to operate as a dictatorship "for a while", and then can't quite ever stop being dictatorial, with the cause, and effect, being that the communist state never materializes.

I formed this opinion i ...[text shortened]... required to take in high school (it was propaganda a la J. Edgar Hoover) and it hasn't changed.
If leaders were not corrupt, then communism would work fine.

But then again, if leaders were not corrupt, capitalism would work fine too. In fact, we could have kings and emperors and feudal lords, which would all work perfectly well if men were not corrupt.

All you're saying is that the USSR was not a true communist state because the leaders became corrupt. That's almost the same as saying the USSR was not a true communist state because gravity exists. If only you could find a group of people of absolute perfect moral fiber, then you could start a communist country and it would be utopia (but then, utopia would be easy to create under any system).

The problem with communism is it has an inherent fast track to dictatorship. In order to spread all wealth evenly, it requires an incredible amount of power concentrated in a few hands. Since corruption is inevitable, totalitarianism is inevitable with any society that has embraced communism.

Capitalism has its pros and cons, but at least it does not require all power concentrated in the hands of a few. It may tend to become more corrupt as time goes by, but communism almost by its very nature becomes extremely oppressive from the early days.

It is interesting that the OP tends to view all employment as a form of oppression. But there is a lot of freedom that comes from not owning the company you work for. You can quit and get a job somewhere else with no fanfare. If one employer is exploiting you, you can quit and work somewhere else. Sometimes that's not easy, but it is a whole lot easier in a capitalist system to change employers than it is in a communist system to change leadership. To me, the employee-employer relationship is generally a "win-win" and I can't understand why it is so often viewed as an unfavorable arrangement.