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You know, after the Napoleonic Wars there was an age of metternich that ushered in a 100 years of peace.
Originally posted by eljefejesusThis is an interesting but ahistorical claim you make here. European history is not your thing perhaps.
You know, after the Napoleonic Wars there was an age of metternich that ushered in a 100 years of peace.
Originally posted by eljefejesusYou do realise that this is called paranoia?
I don't expect you to understand the implications of Venezuela's nostalgia for "Gran Colombia." If her were a normal, intelligent leader, it would not have the same implications.
Originally posted by FMFAnd this last war, where Germany was eventually returned Alsace-Lorraine, is one of the main reasons Germany protected her Western flank during WWI. The fear of France pincering it, whilst it was helping out Austro-Hungary.
And last but not least war between Prussia and France 1870–1871 that saw at least 190,000 dead.
Originally posted by FMFAnd there were battles during the pax romana, what's your point?
This is an interesting but ahistorical claim you make here. European history is not your thing perhaps.
There was war in Greece between 1821 and 1829 that killed almost 200,000 people. There was the Russo–Turkish War of 1828–1829. War in Crete 1866–1869. The Caucasian War of 1817–1864 killed at least 300,000. Wars in Bosnia 1831–1836, 1836–1837, and 1841. War ...[text shortened]... And last but not least war between Prussia and France 1870–1871 that saw at least 190,000 dead.
Originally posted by shavixmirIf you don't take it into context, such as Chavez's rhetoric, increasing weapons purchases, and troop movements towards the Columbian border along with closing diplomatic relations and preparing the populace for bad relations with Columbia, etc, etc ... then it would not be surprising that you wouldn't connect the dots.
You do realise that this is called paranoia?
Your assumption that X means M is based upon Y not being T and there's absolutely no reason or proof that X = Y.
Originally posted by eljefejesusMy point is that south eastern Europe ravaged by almost continuous wars - added to which you have wars between major powers such as France, Britain, Germany-to-be, Austria and Russia - makes your talk of "100 years of peace in Europe" rather idiosyncratic, to say the least. Metternich role in what was going on in Europe at the time is of course overrated. It was a century of rapid industrialization at home and colonialization elsewhere. Priorities shifted. With Britain and France busy consolidating their overseas assets, "Austria etc." riven by mutinous regions and possessions, and Russia busy conquering the Caucasus and struggling with Imperial rival Turkey, it's hardly down to the genius of anybody inparticular that incompatible pursuits of interests did not culminate in the way they did in the 20thC. The 'Great Men' type analysis you appear to be subscribing to is a thing of textbooks from 30 or more years ago before the phenomena of imperialism, colonization, industrialization were analyzed and properly understood. The successive decades in which the utility of militarism on the continent was eclipsed by momentous economic transformations cannot be attributed to diplomats or be used in a facile way to try to attempt some daft anachronistic dismissal of a 20th-21stC institution like the U.N.
And there were battles during the pax romana, what's your point?
The fact that the devastation of the Napoleonic Wars and the World Wars were noticeably absent from Europe for a hundred years remains a tribute to Metternich's diplomatic brilliance... not to any world body.
Originally posted by eljefejesusAh yes, your off-the-shelf 'your IQ is low' counter-attack.
You should consider that your overuse of big words doesn't cover up your limited scope for analysis & logic. You insist on arguing by making many wrong statements about analysis even though they are deeper and more accurate than your own flailing attempts to sound intelligent.
Originally posted by eljefejesusI don't think this is going anywhere, you obviously have an obssession with an inevitable war in s.america, and nothing will convince you otherwise.
The UN has not prevented any of the battles of the Cold War.
Wars remain a possibility in the future.
There is no guarantee, but with work the peace of the world can continue for a long time.
Originally posted by generalissimoDiplomacy for self defense is not an obsession with an inevitable war. How are those similar?
I don't think this is going anywhere, you obviously have an obssession with an inevitable war in s.america, and nothing will convince you otherwise.