15 Apr 10
The problem with the stats you're referencing is two-fold.
One, it doesn't cite the occurrence rates (male-male, male-female, female-female, female-male) and yet draws conclusions as though such information is either assumed or non-consequential.
Two, it attempts to make distinctions between frequency of acts and the actors themselves--- as though the quantity of any given act determines whether or not the actor can be labeled accordingly.
Such false dichotomy encourages a person to disassociate themselves from their acts (I'm not really gay, I'm just working out anger issues on that man's bottom) which essentially keeps responsibility and accountability totally at bay. Not really all that healthy, psychologically-speaking...
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBH"Rebellious" prisoners are often raped by other inmates in order to teach them proper "discipline". Are the rapists homosexual for doing so?
Two, it attempts to make distinctions between frequency of acts and the actors themselves--- as though the quantity of any given act determines whether or not the actor can be labeled accordingly.
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSexual orientation is not dependent on the acts. Most people are aware of their sexual orientation even before they lose their virginity.
The problem with the stats you're referencing is two-fold.
One, it doesn't cite the occurrence rates (male-male, male-female, female-female, female-male) and yet draws conclusions as though such information is either assumed or non-consequential.
Two, it attempts to make distinctions between frequency of acts and the actors themselves--- as though th ...[text shortened]... nd accountability totally at bay. Not really all that healthy, psychologically-speaking...
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by PalynkaThe acts are dependent upon sexual orientation, however.
Sexual orientation is not dependent on the acts. Most people are aware of their sexual orientation even before they lose their virginity.
The citation is going to great lengths to dismiss this link and drawing conclusions without consideration of all information available.
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYes, but you are claiming the causality runs the other way.
The acts are dependent upon sexual orientation, however.
The citation is going to great lengths to dismiss this link and drawing conclusions without consideration of all information available.
There is a number of citations in the link. One is about a study that shows evidence that male sexual molesters of boys are not more likely to be homosexual (that I quoted).
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by PalynkaThis is what I perceive to be a weakness to the conclusion. How are they defining 'homosexual,' if not allowing the description to be self-imposed?
Yes, but you are claiming the causality runs the other way.
There is a number of citations in the link. One is about a study that shows evidence that male sexual molesters of boys are not more likely to be homosexual (that I quoted).
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo your only defense is that you are unsure as to how the researchers defined homosexuality? Is that it?
This is what I perceive to be a weakness to the conclusion. How are they defining 'homosexual,' if not allowing the description to be self-imposed?
What is the problem, in your view, of asking them directly?
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by PalynkaSo your only defense is that you are unsure as to how the researchers defined homosexuality? Is that it?
So your only defense is that you are unsure as to how the researchers defined homosexuality? Is that it?
What is the problem, in your view, of asking them directly?
That, and the other issues I raised previously.
What is the problem, in your view, of asking them directly?
Uh, stigma?
Pirates of yore most emphatically engaged in homosexual behavior while at sea. However, none of them would have tolerated being called a 'puffer' or any other supposed attack on their manliness.
Homosexuality remains a social stigma even to this day. Not without an extreme amount of self-security will someone 'come out' about their preferences in this area--- which would require recognizing the same first, of course.
15 Apr 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI don't think being called a 'puffer' is a major concern for a convicted pedophile. Besides, surveys guarantee confidentiality.
[b]So your only defense is that you are unsure as to how the researchers defined homosexuality? Is that it?
That, and the other issues I raised previously.
What is the problem, in your view, of asking them directly?
Uh, stigma?
Pirates of yore most emphatically engaged in homosexual behavior while at sea. However, none of them would ha ...[text shortened]... their preferences in this area--- which would require recognizing the same first, of course.[/b]