29 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeI meant to say province (as in jurisdictional authority) and not 'providence'.
Got ya stumped, eh? Okay then, this might help un-stump you...
If I'm reading you and a few others here correctly you are saying individuals have rights. Fair enough, but groups of individuals forming nations (with their own particular identity and culture) also have rights, the most important being the right for them to exist as a nation.
If the Fren ...[text shortened]... ational identity where they live and call home?
Whose will (bias) prevails in your home?
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeSorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.
Got ya stumped, eh? Okay then, this might help un-stump you...
If I'm reading you and a few others here correctly you are saying individuals have rights. Fair enough, but groups of individuals forming nations (with their own particular identity and culture) also have rights, the most important being the right for them to exist as a nation.
If the Fren ...[text shortened]... ational identity where they live and call home?
Whose will (bias) prevails in your home?
What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.
Originally posted by no1marauderIf they are French citizens then why do they stand out as being Muslim? Are the Muslims doing anything that identifies them as belonging to Islam? Are Islamic terrorists not Muslims?
Sorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.
What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.
Do you think the French are stupid? Or maybe some French Muslims are naïve in thinking the French do not associate Islamic terrorism with Islam.
I think perhaps they do, no?
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeSince when can't free people identify themselves as whatever they want?
If they are French citizens then why do they stand out as being Muslim? Are the Muslims doing anything that identifies them as belonging to Islam? Are Islamic terrorists not Muslims?
Do you think the French are stupid? Or maybe some French Muslims are naïve in thinking the French do not associate Islamic terrorism with Islam.
I think perhaps they do, no?
You seem to desire a tyranny.
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by no1marauderWhat do you mean that I want to enforce? That doesn't make any sense. It's up to the French for making and enforcing their laws, not me. I am not French, nor do I live in France.
Sorry I'm not on this Forum 24 hours a day.
What you say is true to a certain extent, but France has already allowed these people to become French citizens. Therefore, it's a bit late to claim you can discriminate against them because they don't fit some national identity that you now want to enforce.
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeDon't weasel; you adopted a position supportive of discriminatory laws against French Muslims. If you are really so unconcerned about these issues, you wouldn't be posting in this thread.
What do you mean that I want to enforce? That doesn't make any sense. It's up to the French for making and enforcing their laws, not me. I am not French, nor do I live in France.
The post that was quoted here has been removedI do not dispute it, I am merely content to mock its absurdity. We are not living in Victorian England and to attempt to dredge some piece of attire up from the past and use it to politicise your stance deserves to be mocked. Furthermore her perspective is intellectually dishonest because she is attempting to distance Islam from the garb when in reality the burkini was specifically designed for Muslims, to adhere to Islamic belief and is by its very nature a display of religiosity which some people (not myself) find objectionable. Clearly she needs a good ol Islamic slap on the back of the head to bring her back to reality as recommended in the Koran as a treatment for misguided women - see Sura 4:34
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo the objections of members of a discriminated minority's opinions as regards policies that discriminate against them should be ignored because they are "biased"?
She is a Muslim and is therefore more personally involved than I because the issue is specific to Muslims
Note that this person isn't actually "personally involved" because she doesn't live in France and thus the discrimination has no direct effect on her.
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by no1marauderLoad your questions much? She has a vested interest by virtue of her religious affiliation and is displaying a bias as a direct consequence. Why this should be problematic I cannot say.
So the objections of members of a discriminated minority's opinions as regards policies that discriminate against them should be ignored because they are "biased"?
Note that this person isn't actually "personally involved" because she doesn't live in France and thus the discrimination has no direct effect on her.
29 Aug 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePerhaps you are displaying a "bias" because your religion wouldn't be affected by the discrimination.
Load your questions much? She has a vested interest by virtue of her religious affiliation and is displaying a bias as a direct consequence. Why this should be problematic I cannot say.