just a little reminder

@no1marauder said
That's as amusing as your claims that summer would end the COVID pandemic.

Vaccines were developed in multiple countries by multiple companies all over the world. The US was only one of them.

And it remains true that the Trump administration had no Federal plan to distribute the vaccines and a relative few received them in the waning months of his term:

"“It's ju ...[text shortened]... y in office, Trump had fallen well short of his own goal of the number of vaccinations for December.

So you are saying that theses vaccines were not developed during the Trump administration?

Trump was not the man who decided to fast track these vaccines and gave the go ahead for releasing an unapproved experimental vaccine?

It is a simple yes or no question. We will see exactly how blinded you are by your hate for Trump and love for the Trump Vaccines.

@mott-the-hoople said
now that biden is spying on Americans conversations because he is failing in getting people to vaccinate, I thought this needs to be shown. He and harris both spread false information about the TRUMP vaccine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

https://thehill.com/hom ...[text shortened]... ction-i-would-not-trust

They politicized Americans health. Their remedy is to now spy and censor.

Those were valid concerns at the time as showed by Trump's baseless claims that "Democrats" somehow delayed the announcement of the vaccines until after the election. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/fact-check-no-evidence-supports-trump-s-claim-covid-19-vaccine-result-was-suppressed

Here is an npr story complaining about how Trump funded the vaccine research:


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/29/917899357/how-operation-warp-speeds-big-vaccine-contracts-could-stay-secret


The Trump administration has compared Operation Warp Speed's crash program to develop a COVID-19 vaccine to the Manhattan Project. And like the notoriously secretive government project to make the first atomic bomb, the details of Operation Warp Speed's work may take a long time to unravel.

One reason is that Operation Warp Speed is issuing billions of dollars' worth of coronavirus vaccine contracts to companies through a nongovernment intermediary, bypassing the regulatory oversight and transparency of traditional federal contracting mechanisms, NPR has learned.

@eladar said
So you are saying that theses vaccines were not developed during the Trump administration?

Trump was not the man who decided to fast track these vaccines and gave the go ahead for releasing an unapproved experimental vaccine?

It is a simple yes or no question. We will see exactly how blinded you are by your hate for Trump and love for the Trump Vaccines.

No, they are not "simple Yes or No questions" unless someone wants to leave a misleading impression.

Vaccines were developed all over the world "during the Trump administration". That does not mean the Trump administration developed them.

The legal requirements for an emergency use authorization (EUA) have been in effect for decades. The vaccines were approved under these rules " when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives." https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization

"For the December 11, 2020 authorization for individuals 16 years of age and older, FDA reviewed safety and efficacy data from an ongoing phase 1/2/3 trial in approximately 44,000 participants randomized 1:1 to receive Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine or saline control. The trial has enrolled participants 12 years of age and older. FDA’s review at that time considered the safety and effectiveness data as they relate to the request for emergency use
authorization in individuals 16 years of age and older. FDA’s review of the available safety data
from 37,586 of the participants 16 years of age and older, who were followed for a median of two months after receiving the second dose, did not identify specific safety concerns that would
preclude issuance of an EUA. FDA’s analysis of the available efficacy data from 36,523 participants 12 years of age and older without evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection prior to 7 days
after dose 2 confirmed the vaccine was 95% effective (95% credible interval 90.3, 97.6) in preventing COVID-19 occurring at least 7 days after the second dose (with 8 COVID-19 cases in
the vaccine group compared to 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group). Based on these data, and review of manufacturing information regarding product quality and consistency, FDA
concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine may be effective. Additionally, FDA determined it is reasonable to conclude, based on the totality of the
scientific evidence available, that the known and potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine, for the prevention of
COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older. Finally, on December 10, 2020, the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee voted in agreement with this conclusion.

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

So Trump did nothing more than follow pre-existing law and rules. Granted, in other areas he refused to do so to the public detriment, but he hardly deserves excessive praise for simply following the rules for a change.

@no1marauder

See the npr story on how Trump funded the research.

In your version of history Operation Warp Speed never took place.

True, the vac stuff was establishment, but Trump was President, so he gets credit if he deserves it or not.

Too bad for Biden, but as long as there are people like you Biden can still get credit for them.

I will not bother to cut and paste this article, read it yourself if you wish to be educated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-truth-about-trumps-operation-warp-speed/ar-BB1glnEj

@eladar said
I will not bother to cut and paste this article, read it yourself if you wish to be educated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-truth-about-trumps-operation-warp-speed/ar-BB1glnEj

Nothing in there refutes the points already made in your pat on the back article from a former Trump administration official.

In fact, the first COVID-19 vaccine to gain a EUA in the US declined to be part of Operation Warp Speed: "Pfizer chose to not take federal money as it felt independent and quick decision-making was paramount. “It's not that the advice of others is not worth it, it’s actually worth a lot, but taking money from the federal government always comes with strings attached.” Given that taxpayer money is involved, the government has a responsibility and as a result it wants to be actively involved in the process. (Also see "Operation Warp Speed Angles For Greater Role In Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Manufacturing" - Pink Sheet, 18 Dec, 2020.)

“They want to discuss how we are going to do the clinical trial and if you want to make a change they want to go back to the committee and see why you changed the protocol [whereas] these things were happening within five minutes in our decision process,” he added."

https://scrip.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/SC144598/How-Pfizer-Crafted-Its-Own-Operation-Warp-Speed-For-The-COVID-19-Vaccine

@eladar said
@no1marauder

See the npr story on how Trump funded the research.

In your version of history Operation Warp Speed never took place.

True, the vac stuff was establishment, but Trump was President, so he gets credit if he deserves it or not.

Too bad for Biden, but as long as there are people like you Biden can still get credit for them.

The facts are Trump wanted to get a vaccine out before the election for political benefit (after his other advice, like inside the body disinfecting, got the ridicule it deserved) but lost interest in the project after he lost.

The delays in vaccinations because of a lack of Federal control over distribution cost tens of thousands of lives. Fortunately, the incoming administration fixed this problem and cases and deaths soon plummeted.

@no1marauder
Did you not see the end around funding to avoid regulation? NPR was complaining about it.

@no1marauder
Yeah, vaccine companies do not want to vaccinate people, it takes Federal leadership.

@eladar said
@no1marauder
Did you not see the end around funding to avoid regulation? NPR was complaining about it.

Those are contracts signed for future delivery of vaccines IF they became available.

But Pfizer took no Federal money for actual development of the vaccine.

@eladar said
@no1marauder
Yeah, vaccine companies do not want to vaccinate people, it takes Federal leadership.

The Feds are the ones who brought the vaccines. Then, under Trump, they left it up to States and localities to distribute them. This clearly didn't work without central coordination which was absent until the new administration was sworn in.

@no1marauder said
Those are contracts signed for future delivery of vaccines IF they became available.

But Pfizer took no Federal money for actual development of the vaccine.

So guaranteed sales. It certainly helps to get loans having those contracts.

Face it, the Vaccines are due to the Trump administration. Without those contracts money would not have been available.

Private businesses profiting from public money investment. It is the establishment model. Trump did it, Biden continues.

Every American who gets a vaccine shot needs to thank Trump.

But hey, don't let reality get in the way of your beliefs.

@mott-the-hoople said
now that biden is spying on Americans conversations because he is failing in getting people to vaccinate, I thought this needs to be shown. He and harris both spread false information about the TRUMP vaccine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

https://thehill.com/hom ...[text shortened]... ction-i-would-not-trust

They politicized Americans health. Their remedy is to now spy and censor.

Your comment seems to imply that Biden invented spying on Americans. It's been SOP for as long as I've been alive.

I'm more concerned with the assumption that many people seem to still have that posts on spacebook should be private. EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS PUBLIC.

@wildgrass

Yeah, you believe in the socialist definition of private vs public.

I believe public is defined as government, private is anything not government.