Originally posted by @zahlanzi
Wouldn't it be surreal if the fire department asked for a deposit before coming over to put out your house?

How about the police refusing to stop a rape in progress because the victim looked poor?

Very well put!

Originally posted by @whodey
Where was your outrage when veterans at the Arizona VA were put on secret death lists because their universal government coverage felt it would be better since they were so sick and expensive?

Well, not knowing the case, but taking your word on it... what does this say about your society?

Either there is not enough money spent on health care, or there are death lists and society can’t muster the will to stop them or there’s an incredible amount of misinformation and your society haven’t been taught the skills needed to sift through it properly.

Don’t you find it rather worrying?
Veterans on death lists and you are completely powerless and impotent to do anything about it?

So you come on a chess site (of all places) and scream blue murder about it; knowing that nobody’s going to take you seriously.
And all the whilst... those poor veterans on death lists are being put down like rabid dogs.

What does that say about you?

Originally posted by @shavixmir
Very well put!

There are many situations where private security Co's act in the interests of people who have not paid for the service.

Originally posted by @wajoma
There are many situations where private security Co's act in the interests of people who have not paid for the service.

Ambulance services are run by private security companies?

Or do you mean your post has nothing to do with the thread?

Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
"I'd rather be known as stupid than calculating."

you should be satisfied then.

Holy stars!! I'm going to fill out a lotto ticket. Who'd thought I would ever a agree with a post of yours. Wow!!!

Originally posted by @zahlanzi
can you admit it might be worrying? That ambulance paramedics would hesitate to do their job because the patient cannot afford to continue living?

Can you imagine that there were hints, meetings, some of their coworkers getting reprimanded when a patient couldn't pay the absurd cost of an ambulance? Would it be enough to make you investigate instea ...[text shortened]... d?


Can you maybe admit that the system might not be working as it should when this happens?

Of course the system failed in that case. But emergency rooms and ambulances are not allowed to refuse medical treatment due to inability to pay. If they do, they are punished. That one bad apple did it isn't about the system but about the bad apple.

Originally posted by @shavixmir
There are various ways a society is judged.

One way is historically. For example: slavery. Pretend ty much weighed and judged by our norms today.

“If we can’t or won’t take care of each other, we’re no longer fit to call ourselves a society.”
- M. Born -

Another way a society is judged is by those who leave, if allowed to.

Re Switzerland: there is indeed a helicopter rescue service for mountain climbers. It is not free. Mountain climbing is a voluntarily dangerous sport. If you crash your car on a public road in Switzerland and get injured, you’ll be rescued, no questions asked.

Similarly, if you go swimming at a public beach with a life guard on duty, you can expect to be rescued, no questions asked. But, if you elect to go scuba diving in shark infested waters and get into trouble, you should expect to pay for the risk you take.

Originally posted by @sh76
Of course the system failed in that case. But emergency rooms and ambulances are not allowed to refuse medical treatment due to inability to pay. If they do, they are punished. That one bad apple did it isn't about the system but about the bad apple.

That is very true.
You know of what you speak, Sir.

Additionally, hospital costs are driven through the roof by people who are forced to abuse this fact. Especially by those with non-emergent care issues. They use the Emergency Department as a de facto offfice visit.

Originally posted by @wolfe63
That is very true.
You know of what you speak, Sir.

Additionally, hospital costs are driven through the roof by people who are forced to abuse this fact. Especially by those with non-emergent care issues. They use the Emergency Department as a de facto offfice visit.

They use the Emergency Department as a de facto office visit.
Most hospitals now have a 24hr urgent care, for those who need non-emergency care. It's much cheaper than emergency care also. It's more expensive than a normal doctor visit tho.