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17 Jan 10
20 Jan 10
Originally posted by rwingettPink Floyd was done when Roger Waters left.
Pink Floyd was done when Roger Waters left*. Roger had the integrity to start a solo career. David Gilmour did not. Knowing that David Gilmour solo albums would not sell, he continued masquerading under the Pink Floyd name. Momentary Lapse of Reason and the rest are nothing but glorified David Gilmour projects. They are not Pink Floyd, regardless of ...[text shortened]... funct after The Wall. The Final Cut was a Roger Waters solo album in all but name.
Nay, Pink Floyd was done when Syd Barrett left.
20 Jan 10
Originally posted by epiphinehasPink Floyd had barely gotten started when Syd left. If they had disbanded at that time they would have been almost completely forgotten. Their fame and financial success came primarily during the post Barrett years. Gilmour's shameless clinging to the Pink Floyd name was an attempt to keep milking that cow for all it was worth. Experience had shown him that David Gilmour solo albums don't sell, while he could put out any old thing under the Pink Floyd name and people would buy it up. Waters, despite his personal flaws, at least had the integrity to embark upon a solo career.
[b]Pink Floyd was done when Roger Waters left.
Nay, Pink Floyd was done when Syd Barrett left.[/b]
Plus, it should not be forgotten that Waters was an original member of the band. Gilmour, on the other hand, was brought in as a replacement for Barrett. The person with the least claim to the Pink Floyd name, therefore, is Gilmour.
20 Jan 10
Originally posted by rwingettI hear what you are saying but Gilmour was actually brought in while Barrett was still there.
Pink Floyd had barely gotten started when Syd left. If they had disbanded at that time they would have been almost completely forgotten. Their fame and financial success came primarily during the post Barrett years. Gilmour's shameless clinging to the Pink Floyd name was an attempt to keep milking that cow for all it was worth. Experience had shown him that ...[text shortened]... nt for Barrett. The person with the least claim to the Pink Floyd name, therefore, is Gilmour.
The original band line up was:
Syd Barrett - Guitars / Vocals
Roger Waters - Bass / Vocals
Nick Mason - Drums / Percussion
Richard Wright - Keyboards
This was Pink Floyd between 1965-1968. In 1968 David Gilmour joined the band because of Syd's erratic behavior and drug use. This was the only time that Pink Floyd had 5 members. Later in 1968 the band decided that it was time for Syd to leave and that David Gilmour was to be his permenant replacment.
20 Jan 10
Originally posted by utherpendragonThat their tenure slightly overlapped changes nothing. Gilmour was Barrett's replacement.
I hear what you are saying but Gilmour was actually brought in while Barrett was still there.
The original band line up was:
Syd Barrett - Guitars / Vocals
Roger Waters - Bass / Vocals
Nick Mason - Drums / Percussion
Richard Wright - Keyboards
This was Pink Floyd between 1965-1968. In 1968 David Gilmour joined the band because of Syd's err ...[text shortened]... ed that it was time for Syd to leave and that David Gilmour was to be his permenant replacment.
21 Jan 10
Originally posted by badmoonThat's an interesting question. 'Arnold Lane' and 'See Emily Play' were minor hits when Syd was around and it seemed like they might be heading places before he imploded. A lot of his work on his two solo albums show that he could write catchy pop songs. It is my guess that they would have gone on to be a mildly successful group, but perhaps not as much as they did without him. But one can never know for sure.
Speculation, of course, but I really doubt that Floyd would have reached near the stature and respect if it continued to feature Sid and his songs if he had remained well.
29 Jan 10
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Originally posted by rwingettPink Floyd had barely gotten started when Syd left. If they had disbanded at that time they would have been almost completely forgotten.
Pink Floyd had barely gotten started when Syd left. If they had disbanded at that time they would have been almost completely forgotten. Their fame and financial success came primarily during the post Barrett years. Gilmour's shameless clinging to the Pink Floyd name was an attempt to keep milking that cow for all it was worth. Experience had shown him that nt for Barrett. The person with the least claim to the Pink Floyd name, therefore, is Gilmour.
I'm just sayin', Syd came up with the band's name and was the primary songwriter until his LSD induced schizophrenia kicked in. It is therefore more accurate to say that Pink Floyd, in its original form, ceased to exist the moment Syd left. There is a reason why they didn't come up with a new band name, because it was Syd's songwriting which put them on the map in the first place.
Gilmour's shameless clinging to the Pink Floyd name was an attempt to keep milking that cow for all it was worth.
It was no different what Roger and Co. did to Syd. Just because one guy goes insane or doesn't want to play anymore doesn't mean everyone should have to stop. That was the band's rationale in each case, and I think it is a legitimate point.
Waters, despite his personal flaws, at least had the integrity to embark upon a solo career.
If you remember, Roger Waters was also guilty of using Pink Floyd as a front for his own solo career. Animals, The Wall, and the Final Cut were basically Roger Waters solo albums. Benefiting from Gilmour's magic guitar, of course.
Plus, it should not be forgotten that Waters was an original member of the band. Gilmour, on the other hand, was brought in as a replacement for Barrett. The person with the least claim to the Pink Floyd name, therefore, is Gilmour.
It wasn't like Gilmour was some schmo off the street. He was best friends with Syd Barrett. Also, for a short period of time Pink Floyd was a five person unit: Nick Mason, Richard Wright, Syd Barrett, Roger Water and David Gilmour.
29 Jan 10
I have yet to get my hands on it, but The Flaming Lips (along with some others including Peaches and Henry rollins) recently releases a cover of the entire Dark Side of the Moon album. I should think that, if you enjoyted the noodlesome jam-session that was last year's Embryonic, you might find this to your taste. Although, since I haven't yet heard this new one, that's just a guess...
(As a piece of trivia, The Flaming Lips, when on tour with the majestic Jesus and Mary Chain, used to incite the crowds to near violence by covering 'Wish You Were Here' - that sort of hippy nonsense being anathema to JAMC fans...)
29 Jan 10
Originally posted by DrKFI can't stand JAMC fans. Mazzy Starr opened for JAMC one night in Denver, and she got through three songs before she was heckled off the stage. I was there to see Mazzy, so I was pissed.
I have yet to get my hands on it, but The Flaming Lips (along with some others including Peaches and Henry rollins) recently releases a cover of the entire Dark Side of the Moon album. I should think that, if you enjoyted the noodlesome jam-session that was last year's Embryonic, you might find this to your taste. Although, since I haven't yet hea ...[text shortened]... covering 'Wish You Were Here' - that sort of hippy nonsense being anathema to JAMC fans...)
Anyway...