18 May 09
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagei know , the edge, the edge of flippin what, the table, a cliff, i wish!
From Zooropa onwards, yes.
I did quite like their stuff up until the Joshua Tree.
Edit -- The Edge is also a twat. Takes you a while to realise it, but there it is.
19 May 09
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraThey are one of my biggest influences, personally. Besides the Beatles, they are probably THE prototype for the artistic pop band. Their arrangements and crafted melodies are second to none.
Yeah, the Beach Boys made some decent stuff, but I wouldn't say they are particularly influential.
You don't hear a lot of the Beach Boys influence in today's popular music but you can hear it all over so-called Indie Rock (Fleet Foxes or Animal Collective, for example).
19 May 09
Originally posted by uzlessPffpppht! That's hilarious. I agree with your sentiment but certainly not your statement. You always seem to exaggerate with your comparisons but that's okay...
Damn straight. You take any song by MGMT, say Kids for example, and then play Kraftwerk's "She's a model" right after.
Virtually no differnece other than the track layering technology advances over 30 years.
But yes, Kraftwerk - extremely influential. In rock? Maybe not so much, however there is no doubt that they were the greatest influence on electrnoic music and greatly influenced hip-hop in the early 80s as well.
19 May 09
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Originally posted by darvlayWell, the Beatles are boring, and so are most indie rock bands - especially those formed after Oasis killed the genre in 1995.
They are one of my biggest influences, personally. Besides the Beatles, they are probably THE prototype for the artistic pop band. Their arrangements and crafted melodies are second to none.
You don't hear a lot of the Beach Boys influence in today's popular music but you can hear it all over so-called Indie Rock (Fleet Foxes or Animal Collective, for example).
The Beatles are THE prototype for a generic pop band.
The Velvet Underground are THE prototype for an artistic pop band.
19 May 09
Originally posted by darvlayThe greatest influence on electronic music? Nah, not greater than, say, Edgard Varèse or Karlheinz Stockhausen.
Pffpppht! That's hilarious. I agree with your sentiment but certainly not your statement. You always seem to exaggerate with your comparisons but that's okay...
But yes, Kraftwerk - extremely influential. In rock? Maybe not so much, however there is no doubt that they were the greatest influence on electrnoic music and greatly influenced hip-hop in the early 80s as well.
Still very influential, of course. And great music to boot, you just gotta love Trans-Europe Express!
19 May 09
Originally posted by darvlayI was looking at "influential" to mean influencing rock TODAY. For sure, the ramones may have influenced the Clash, but imo, the Clash influence the Punk Rock genre of today more so than the ramones do. Two great bands though.
The Clash were greatly influenced by the Ramones themselves. White Riot, their first single, could have been a Ramones song.
19 May 09
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraI would definitely say so, yes. Varese and Stockhausen were certainly pioneers but let's not confuse pioneering with influence as it is easy to do.
The greatest influence on electronic music? Nah, not greater than, say, Edgard Varèse or Karlheinz Stockhausen.
19 May 09
Originally posted by uzlessThose two bands would certainly be 1-2 in that category.
I was looking at "influential" to mean influencing rock TODAY. For sure, the ramones may have influenced the Clash, but imo, the Clash influence the Punk Rock genre of today more so than the ramones do. Two great bands though.
19 May 09
Originally posted by darvlayYou are a musician. I am not. Where I tend to simplify song comparsions, as a musician you seem to see those simplifications as exaggerations. To me, KIDS and She's a Model are almost identical. To you, they may indeed seem very different since your ear is better trained. However, I think i may speak for non-musicians when I say I don't hear much of a difference other than additional music tracks layered in.
Pffpppht! That's hilarious. I agree with your sentiment but certainly not your statement. You always seem to exaggerate with your comparisons but that's okay...
But yes, Kraftwerk - extremely influential. In rock? Maybe not so much, however there is no doubt that they were the greatest influence on electrnoic music and greatly influenced hip-hop in the early 80s as well.
As for Kraftwerk, I agree that they don't fit into the traditional ROCK definition and its why i added in my post on page 2 the following:
"* If you want to include bandslike Depeche Mode/MGMT/Prodigy etc as a sub genre of Rock, then hands down the oscar goes to Kraftwerk."