MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...
PG
1—Magic Johnson
2 – Isiah Thomas
3 – Jason Kidd
4- Steve Nash
5 – Bob Cousy
SG
1-Michael Jordan
2-Oscar Robertson
3-Kobe Bryant
4-Jerry West
5-Allen Iverson
SF
1-Larry BIRD
2-Lebron James
3-Julius Erving
4-Elgin Baylor
5-Clyde Drexler
PF
1-Karl Malone
2-Tim Duncan
3-Charles Barkley
4-Kevin Mchale
5-Dirk Nowitski
C
1-Hakeem Olajuwon
2-Wilt Chamberlain
3-Shaquille O’Neal
4-Bill Russell
5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Originally posted by monteirofBill Simons in his book of basketball puts Russell and the top center and Kareem as second and Wilt as third. That rings true to me.
MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...
PG
1—Magic Johnson
2 – Isiah Thomas
3 – Jason Kidd
4- Steve Nash
5 – Bob Cousy
SG
1-Michael Jordan
2-Oscar Robertson
3-Kobe Bryant
4-J ...[text shortened]... em Olajuwon
2-Wilt Chamberlain
3-Shaquille O’Neal
4-Bill Russell
5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
If these sort of lists or ranking of players interests you, I'd highly recommend his book (an extra plus to the book is the fact that he's a great writer and very funny)
There have been too many great players.... Let's see...
PG
1--Magic Johnson
2--Isiah Thomas
3--John Stockton
4--Jason Kidd
5--Steve Nash
SG
1--Michael Jordan
2--Kobe Bryant
3--Oscar Robertson
4--Jerry West
5--Clyde Drexler
SF
1--Larry Bird
2--Julius Erving
3--Elgin Baylor
4--John Havlicek
5--Scottie Pippen
PF
1--Tim Duncan
2--Karl Malone
3--Kevin McHale
4--Pau Gasol
5--Charles Barkley
C
1--Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2--Bill Russell
3--Wilt Chamberlain
4--Shaq
5--Hakeem Olajuwon
Originally posted by monteirofDrexler was a SG...
MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...
PG
1—Magic Johnson
2 – Isiah Thomas
3 – Jason Kidd
4- Steve Nash
5 – Bob Cousy
SG
1-Michael Jordan
2-Oscar Robertson
3-Kobe Bryant
4-J ...[text shortened]... em Olajuwon
2-Wilt Chamberlain
3-Shaquille O’Neal
4-Bill Russell
5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
PG
1 - Magic Johnson
2 - Isiah Thomas
3 - John Stockton
4 - Jason Kidd
5 - Gary Payton
SG
1-Michael Jordan
2-Oscar Robertson
3-Jerry West
4-Kobe Bryant
5-Clyde Drexler
SF
1-Larry Bird
2-Julius Erving
3-Lebron James
4-Elgin Baylor
5-Dominique Wilkins
PF
1-Karl Malone
2-Tim Duncan
3-Charles Barkley
4-Dirk Nowitski
5-Chris Webber
C
1-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2-Hakeem Olajuwon
3-Shaquille O’Neal
4-Wilt Chamberlain
5-Bill Russell
Thanks for the indication.
Drexler played both SF and SG, didn't he?
The center position is the tuffest one to rank, I guess. All those five are great. Considering numbers, you gotta pick Russell or Wilt as number one. But The sickest one I've seen is Hakeem. And I believe he would destroy Kareem with his athleticism and post moves.
Originally posted by monteirofKareem was a six time MVP, a 19 time all star with six championships. He is first in career points, If you like advanced metrics he led the league in PER nine times and was first or second in each of his first twelve years. He also was first career in offensive win shares and second career in defensive win sharres. I don't think people should judge him by the end of his career. Hakeem may be truly great, but did you ever think he was better than Jordan? Kareem was clearly the best player of 70s.
Thanks for the indication.
Drexler played both SF and SG, didn't he?
The center position is the tuffest one to rank, I guess. All those five are great. Considering numbers, you gotta pick Russell or Wilt as number one. But The sickest one I've seen is Hakeem. And I believe he would destroy Kareem with his athleticism and post moves.
Originally posted by quackquackHakeem must be better than MJ...he was drafted higher. LOL
Kareem was a six time MVP, a 19 time all star with six championships. He is first in career points, If you like advanced metrics he led the league in PER nine times and was first or second in each of his first twelve years. He also was first career in offensive win shares and second career in defensive win sharres. I don't think people should judge him ...[text shortened]... t, but did you ever think he was better than Jordan? Kareem was clearly the best player of 70s.
the problem with these lists are that they seem to be focused on who were the best offensive and-or rebounding players in the NBA. But defense is as important as offense -- so who were the best defensive players of all time? Is there a good way of figuring this out statistically?
Much can be said for Kareem's sky-hook -- but who was the best at stopping the sky-hook? Who was the best at stopping Jordan, Bird, Magic or Shaq? (or at least minimizing their damages).
the one exception is Bill Russell -- probably remembered more for his defense than his offense -- with much of his fame coming from clearly being the best at stopping Wilt.
Don't want to look like underrating Kareem. He sure was great and he's stats are amazing. I was considering Bill Russell titles and Wilt crazy averages when I mentioned numbers. But if you look at career stats, then Kareem is the best. Still, I think Olajuwon (at his prime) is better than Kareem (at his prime). And Olajuwon, despite he's amazing offensive package, is one of the best defenders ever (lead the league in blocks). And, please, MJ is the best ever. Nobody here disconsidered that.
Originally posted by MelanerpesPG
so who were the best defensive players of all time?
1. Gary Payton
2. John Stockton
3. Walt Frazier
4. Jason Kidd
5. Dennis Johnson
*Rajon Rondo and Chris Paul could potentially be on this list at the end of their careers
SG
1. Sidney Moncrief
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Joe Dumars
5. Alvin Robertson
SF
1. Scottie Pippen
2. Bobby Jones
3. Ron Artest
4. Bruce Bowen
5. Michael Cooper
PF
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Dennis Rodman
3. Tim Duncan
4. Mark Eaton
5. Ben Wallace
C
1. Bill Russell
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Hakeem Olajuwon
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabaar
5. Alonzo Mourning
I think the official list goes as follows:
PG
Magic
Stockton
Nash
Pistol Pete
Gary Payton
SG
Kobe (number 1 overall)
MJ
Big O
Allen Iverson
Jerry West
SF
Lebron
Larry Bird
Dr j
Elgin Baylor
Dominique the freak
PF
Tim Duncan
Shawn Kemp (before he got into drugs)
KG
Dirk
Mailman
C
Wilt
Shaq
Kareem
Bill
Hakeem