18 Mar '15 11:05>5 edits
Originally posted by Great King RatChance of life? I've already posted the statistics on the chance of life, none of which was rebutted. This simply is the chance that the material universe formed. that could sustain life. What I'm saying is that the issue is twofold. The chance that the material universe could be formed to sustain life and the chance that life would form in such a universe. Combined, the chances seem absurdly stacked against us being here.
No, you tell me.
You are using this list to show that the chance of life coming into existence is "astronomically high". It's up to you to defend it.
So, do tell: 1. What was the chance of the Strong nuclear force constant being any different than what it turned out to be?
Repeat and answer this question for points 2 to 34.
If you can't do this, then the above list tells you nothing about the chance of life.
And you must be honest here. The fact that scientists have been unable to find other life forms in the universe plagues them horribly. Why are we alone if the odds are not stacked against life existing at all? Their only conclusion is, life must exist elsewhere, otherwise the reality of the situation drives home the statistical chances that we exist by chance are overwhelmingly stacked against us being here. The only thing that gives them comfort is the fact that we have access to very little of the known universe.
There are other statistical anomalies out there as well. For example, what are the chances that an ancient religion would survive? Off the top of my head, there are two, ones that are revived from the Bible and Hinduism. What are the chances that either would survive? After all, if there was a God then he would be a God of the past, present, and future.
Let's be honest here, the only worldwide viable religions stem from the Bible. Hinduism is largely localized to the Asia.
Now what are the odds that a people, namely the Jews, would retain their religion and also retain a land as predicted by their prophets in order to fulfill end time prophecy?
Speaking of prophecy, what are the odds that the prophecies about Jesus would be fulfilled? Reading Isaiah 53 is like reading a passage in the 4 gospels. It describes Jesus to a tee. The only way for this to happen if it were not true is if the entire NT was made up to fit the OT prophecies.
However, there is the problem of Daniel 9:24-27, it is a calendar to the coming of the Messiah which Jewish rabbis later calculated to point directly to the time Jesus walked the earth. They later concluded that men should not calculate it so as not to be deceived and believe Jesus was their Messiah.
This prophesy was written some 500 years before the coming of Jesus and it points to the time of Jesus. That is a fact. Now there is no reason for Jewish rabbis to calculate the prophecy to point to the time of Jesus, but they did. Really the only way to refute Jesus as being Messiah is to say that Jesus was not really real at all. He must have been entirely fictional.
I assume that this is your position.