Originally posted by twhitehead
Witnessing a quantum event and then time traveling to before the event [b]does prove that it is not uncertain. Your thought experiment proved that.
The problem is that you seem to think that if you make up a thought experiment that includes somebody doing the impossible then the impossible has been proven possible.
Let me try it. In my thought exper an eternal God cannot exist or Quantum Mechanics is wrong and everything is predetermined. QED[/b]
But if he interacts with our timeline, it constitutes time travel which violates the uncertainty principle.---whitey------
But what if he DOESN'T interact with our timeline and instead just holds that knowledge within the constraints of eternity. He could still be omniscient of all events (past , future , present) but his omniscience would have no effect on anything.
You see what you can't logically show is how God just knowing something changes the nature of the event. Try this thought experiment...
Imagine that God doesn't exist (100% ) and life, the universe is Godless (you won't find this difficult LOL) . Uncertain quantum events happen in our universe (you would not dispute this). Now , imagine I have a God machine that can create an omniscient , eternal God that does not interact with time . I switch on the machine and God is created . God immediately knows all quantum events.
ok , so the question is - what has changed? How does God simply knowing these events suddenly logically change the nature of the events? Has God's knowledge somehow affected the events on a quantum level? Why does God knowing change things? Are you saying that if the God machine was switched on then suddenly the laws of quantum mechanics would switch to make all events determined and caused? How would that happen?
The problem I have is that you seem to think that uncertain quantum events cannot co-exist together with an eternal being but you have as yet given no physical or logical description as to how the two are interrelated. Unless you can answer the God machine question of course.....
(NB- I will of course accept that there are exceptions regarding pre destination and times when God does interact with time- but at the moment that is not the issue )