Originally posted by knightwest The Catholic Church traces it's roots to early Christians, the very first actually.
Simon Peter founded the Church that was to become the Catholic Church. The term catholic only become relevant during the Reformation, when there was a split between the Catholic Church and the reforming, protestant, lutherian churches in Europe.
So Catholics were th ...[text shortened]... ctually teach you anything that matters (like the history of the Christian faith, for instance).
I thought Jesus was the founder of the Church not Peter?
Then you guys don't really follow Christ words then.
So then who are you to say that I can read from Pauls writings that he recieved from that Holy Spirit.
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Originally posted by RBHILL When he said this rock.
If you call your self a Christian Kirksey957, you would know that Jesus was referring to Earth not Peter.
And also even though Jesus is gone, He is the leader of the Church not the Pope or anyone else. He guides his true followers with the Holy Spirit.
I think when Jesus said "on this rock I will build my church" He was speaking of Himself, not Peter. Jesus is the head of the church not Peter or the earth.
Eph 1:22-23
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church,
23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
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Eph 5:23
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
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Originally posted by RBHILL Jesus is the head of the Church not Peter.
strange you say this as it was jesus who said upon this rock i will build my church. there are no temples or churches in heaven so it is a earthly thing. jesus is in heaven to were we pray. he never wanted a home for himself but for us we require a temple and it has to have a head on earth.
Originally posted by checkbaiter I think when Jesus said "on this rock I will build my church" He was speaking of Himself, not Peter. Jesus is the head of the church not Peter or the earth.
Eph 1:22-23
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church,
23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
(NKJ)
Eph 5:23
...[text shortened]... head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)
LOL. If you were a real Christian, you would have known this in the first place.
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Originally posted by stoker strange you say this as it was jesus who said upon this rock i will build my church. there are no temples or churches in heaven so it is a earthly thing. jesus is in heaven to were we pray. he never wanted a home for himself but for us we require a temple and it has to have a head on earth.
If you look at the Greek, there are two different words for rock...one being petra and the other petros. One is a pebble. He is saying to Peter "you are a pebble" blown about with every wind of doctrine....but on this rock ( a much larger one) meaning Himself, He would build His church.
Originally posted by checkbaiter If you look at the Greek, there are two different words for rock...one being petra and the other petros. One is a pebble. He is saying to Peter "you are a pebble" blown about with every wind of doctrine....but on this rock ( a much larger one) meaning Himself, He would build His church.
Originally posted by shavixmir Well, was I ever shocked at being invited to the open day in heaven!
As a pure and utter atheist I have to admit at feeling slightly embarrassed...
Anyways, RBHILL and myself decided to form and international pact and travel upwards and onwards together. And so it was that we both found ourselves at the pearly gates with Simon (he prefers Simon, but ca ...[text shortened]... For I see it not? "
And Simon answered: "We use his clock in the kitchen as a ventilator."
Well, the end came as a surprise .... and I had to laugh to be honest .....