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Originally posted by @apathist1 Cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou should've added verse 19.
1 Cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Originally posted by @odbodI think you have a point, but what we are running into with faith with respect to God and
I think everything comes down to a balance of probability.Our present state of intellectual capability dictates that a belief in absolute fact is perhaps an unwise position to take.As and when new information becomes available,our view of existence should change?
Originally posted by @kellyjayGiven that we both agree that our minds have limited capacity,our absolute belief in anything,including the existence of a god must have an element of doubt associated with it.It may well be the case that it is our lot to learn more yet never come to full understanding.
I think you have a point, but what we are running into with faith with respect to God and
the universe is this. We have from our perspective an endless universe, so our intellectual
capability can only take in so much, so our views are ever changing. This will remain the
case throughout all of time if we and the universe were all there were.
With God ...[text shortened]... ll always be changing.
When the limitless speaks to the limited, what should our response be?
Originally posted by @odbodI agree, which is where faith comes in.
Given that we both agree that our minds have limited capacity,our absolute belief in anything,including the existence of a god must have an element of doubt associated with it.It may well be the case that it is our lot to learn more yet never come to full understanding.
Originally posted by @odbodAcknowledged under these circumstances, "faith" is merely lucky guessing. Not a good quality of faith I reckon. However
Given that we both agree that our minds have limited capacity,our absolute belief in anything,including the existence of a god must have an element of doubt associated with it.It may well be the case that it is our lot to learn more yet never come to full understanding.
Originally posted by @black-beetleYou realize God is not just a musing of man. Being our creator who when He was done molding us from the dust of the earth, breathed into us giving us life. The bound between us broken by our betrayal breaking faith with Him.
Acknowledged under these circumstances, "faith" is merely lucky guessing. Not a good quality of faith I reckon. However
say I have a diamond in one of my closed palms and you trust me in full, because you know me quite well and you are quite sure I honor my word and I do not lie on you. In this case, you remain sceptical simply as regards whether I ...[text shortened]... ale G-d, otherwise it does not work my feer, dead in the ocean of deep ignorance you remain;
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Originally posted by @kellyjayIf we take as a starting point that Adam and Eve were not meant to be taken literally (bearing in mind we evolved as a species) on what grounds did mankind break faith and betray God?
You realize God is not just a musing of man. Being our creator who when He was done molding us from the dust of the earth, breathed into us giving us life. The bound between us broken by our betrayal breaking faith with Him.
Not much about us is different now from then, we either seek and trust or not.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhat undeniable evidence do you have that contradicts the biblical account of creation?
If we take as a starting point that Adam and Eve were not meant to be taken literally (bearing in mind we evolved as a species) on what grounds did mankind break faith and betray God?
(You probably don't like my starting point).
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDid you miss the part where I referenced evolution? (Heavily evidenced). And we were discussing Adam and Eve, rather than creation itself.
What undeniable evidence do you have that contradicts the biblical account of creation?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI take them as literal, there are a lot of things you don't take literally in scripture and things
If we take as a starting point that Adam and Eve were not meant to be taken literally (bearing in mind we evolved as a species) on what grounds did mankind break faith and betray God?
(You probably don't like my starting point).