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Originally posted by divegeesterThe Holy Bible is the place where you should ... Seek, and ye shall find. π
Tell me more about the circumstances you claim justify a person being burnt alive for what they do or don't believe?
Originally posted by RJHindsBut it is not the Bible that is claiming this, it is you.
The Holy Bible is the place where you should ... Seek, and ye shall find. π
Originally posted by KellyJayOk, I read Jesus' words and it seems to be saying stuff completely different from what you said.
Jesus' words not mine if you read the scripture I posted you'd saw this.
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Originally posted by Rajk999
Ok, I read Jesus' words and it seems to be saying stuff completely different from what you said.
Here is Christ:
[i]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy nam ...[text shortened]... inition. The reason why Christ did not know them is that they did not do the will of the Father.
Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
Originally posted by Rajk999If you bothered to read the quote I had in the post you responded to you would have seen
Ok, I read Jesus' words and it seems to be saying stuff completely different from what you said.
Here is Christ:
[i]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy nam ...[text shortened]... inition. The reason why Christ did not know them is that they did not do the will of the Father.
Originally posted by KellyJayHe seems like one of those that are too proud to admit they are wrong.
If you bothered to read the quote I had in the post you responded to you would have seen
the very thing I was speaking about. If you want to deny Jesus said those things just by
bringing up other things Jesus said. You simply are not being honest.
Originally posted by Rajk999There is an orthodox position which holds that there is a third class of people: those who, through no fault of their own, have not heard the word of god. These include unbaptized infants, and heathens to whom no missionary has appeared. They will receive a special dispensation.
It appears to be the contention of some Christians that there are only two groups of people in the world - those who enjoy eternal bliss in Gods Kingdom and those who suffer in eternal torment in the lake of fire. This doctrine seems to be the result of applying the most unmerciful interpretation of this passage by Christ here:
[i]John 3:18 He that beli ...[text shortened]... d that leads them to righteousness. These will be raised judged by God and rewarded accordingly.
Originally posted by moonbusI heard about that doctrine. Although it sounds like the correct thing to do, it is not in the Bible.
There is an orthodox position which holds that there is a third class of people: those who, through no fault of their own, have not heard the word of god. These include unbaptized infants, and heathens to whom no missionary has appeared. They will receive a special dispensation.
Originally posted by Rajk999I don't believe I presented any scripture that conflicts with that. I don't recall any of the scriptures I presented that say one ONLY has to profess belief with the mouth without also believing in the heart. Belief in the heart, also carries with it the desire to obey the commandment to love your fellow Christians or, as it is put in scripture, to love one another.
To KJ and RJH. This example given in Matt
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And ...[text shortened]... that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1John 2:3-6)
Originally posted by RJHindsActually the commandment is to love your neighbour. Anyway you mist have changed your belief in the last couple years. You were squarely in the OSAS camp not too long ago.
I don't believe I presented any scripture that conflicts with that. I don't recall any of the scriptures I presented that say one ONLY has to profess belief with the mouth without also believing in the heart. Belief in the heart, also carries with it the desire to obey the commandment to love your fellow Christians.
Originally posted by Rajk999Perhaps it was because I said I was baptized as a Southern Baptist that you thought I was in the OSAS camp. I had always had doubts about the OSAS idea from the time I heard of it after my baptism. I even stated on this Forum long ago that i did not believe in that idea. I believe it was to the JW, robbie carobbie, that i first stated that on RHP.
Actually the commandment is to love your neighbour. Anyway you mist have changed your belief in the last couple years. You were squarely in the OSAS camp not too long ago.
Originally posted by RJHindsOk, glad to hear that your beliefs are not fixed in stone.
Perhaps it was because I said I was baptized as a Southern Baptist that you thought I was in the OSAS camp. I had always had doubts about the OSAS idea from the time I heard of it after my baptism. I even stated on this Forum long ago that i did not believe in that idea. I believe it was to the JW, robbie carobbie, that i first stated that on RHP.
Howe ...[text shortened]... r and remain that way at the time of death, I will be considered an unbeliever at Judgment time.
Originally posted by RJHindsOh .. so what did I say that is wrong? Is not that passage a very clear contradiction of just about everything Christians generally believe about judgment day and eternal life?
He seems like one of those that are too proud to admit they are wrong.
Originally posted by Rajk999The devils believe in God and they are going to hell along with quite a few others.
To KJ and RJH. This example given in Matt
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And ...[text shortened]... that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1John 2:3-6)