21 Feb '07 22:13>1 edit
Originally posted by scottishinnzIt's not theists that posit time existing independently it's you. You said that everything needs time to exist "in" (I can quote you if you like). How can the universe be "dependent" on time or "need" time to "exist in" if they are not separate entities?And if time is a separate entity from the universe and the universe depends on time to exist then time must be able to exist independently of the universe.
A number of theists here have posited that time exists independently, yet refuse to give evidence for this.
It is a situation contradictory to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, later derivations of the ToR by Hermann Minkowski, who was one of Einstein's teacher in fact.
Here is the challenge. Re-write Relativity. If you want your idea, that time ...[text shortened]... e Einstein wrong, explain why nuclear reactors and stars work, and we'll treat you seriously.
I for one do not even believe time exists independently or otherwise. I think the universe exists and time is a useful theoretical concept for understanding it. Time to me is not a phrase to use to describe existence , the universe IS , time is just a descriptive term for it. You however have a much greater chance of believing that time can exist independently since unlike me you believe it actually exists!
I guess it can't be me you are refering to.