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"Once upon a time.................."
Originally posted by frogstompOne Shabbos afternoon, Reb Reuven called me into is study. He was sitting behind his desk and motioned me to take the chair across from him. A volume of the Zohar was lying open in front of him.
"Once upon a time.................."
Originally posted by vistesdThis is fiction right?
One Shabbos afternoon, Reb Reuven called me into is study. He was sitting behind his desk and motioned me to take the chair across from him. A volume of the Zohar was lying open in front of him.
“Do you know what the Zohar is?” he asked.
“Of course,” I said. “It is a mystical commentary on Torah written by Moshe deLeon, a thirteenth century Spanish k ...[text shortened]... rts with the word b’reisheet, [b]‘Once upon a time!’”
—Rabbi Rami Shapiro, Hasidic Tales[/b]
Originally posted by josephwActually, not. First, there is the whole paradigm of Jewish exegesis, which is so different from most Christian exegesis. As rabbi and scholar Marc Alain-Ouaknin put it, the thrust of Jewish exegesis is to avoid the “idolatry of the one right meaning.” I don’t have the time now, but I’ve posted on this before—this really goes to how the Hebrew language works. (Basically, no Hebrew word in the original scrolls has a single meaning, let alone a completely accurate single-word translation. The Hebrew language wasn’t even vowelized until between the third and fifth centuries, C.E.—without vowels, each Hebrew word has multiple meanings; hence, so does each verse, etc.) Christians by and large (except for some of the very early ones, perhaps) have never understood how to read Torah!
This is fiction right?
Originally posted by vistesdYa, but there's a computer in the lobby.
Actually, not. First, there is the whole paradigm of Jewish exegesis, which is so different from most Christian exegesis. As rabbi and scholar Marc Alain-Ouaknin put it, the thrust of Jewish exegesis is to avoid the “idolatry of the one right meaning.” I don’t have the time now, but I’ve posted on this before—this really goes to how the Hebrew language wo ...[text shortened]... )—but I haven’t time at the moment.
Hey! Aren’t you supposed to be at a conference...? 😉
Originally posted by josephwHere’s an overview (shamelessly cut & pasted from an earlier post)—
Ya, but there's a computer in the lobby.
When you have time could you send that material to my site message place? I'd like to see more.
Originally posted by vistesdThis is interesting. Nothing is really real, and God doesn't mean what he says.
Here’s an overview (shamelessly cut & pasted from an earlier post)—
Actually, the “problem” is that Hebrew has too much meaning. It seems to be a “depth language”: each word has layers of meanings and possibilities, that are not translatable into a singular word in English. This is why Judaism is essentially a “hermeneutic religion,” in the word ...[text shortened]... akyKBH and lucisfershammer:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=38147
Originally posted by josephwTell me, does God mean what he says?
This is interesting. Nothing is really real, and God doesn't mean what he says.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
And then in Chapter 3 verse 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall not surely die:
Tell me, does God mean what he says?
Originally posted by vistesdIt was worth the try.
[b]Tell me, does God mean what he says?
Well, I’m, the one with little time now, so a short answer—
(1) You already know that I don’t think the bible is “the word of God.” (This is my position, not strictly a Jewish one; but you should also know that the Jewish oral tradition goes back to before the time of Jesus.) So that’s a meaningless questi ...[text shortened]... ing past one another, I suspect.
Be well.
EDIT: Well, I tried a "short" response... 😳[/b]
Originally posted by vistesdYou haven't been talking past me though, I do understand what Valentinus called the ERROR.
[b]Tell me, does God mean what he says?
Well, I’m, the one with little time now, so a short answer—
(1) You already know that I don’t think the bible is “the word of God.” (This is my position, not strictly a Jewish one; but you should also know that the Jewish oral tradition goes back to before the time of Jesus.) So that’s a meaningless questi ...[text shortened]... ing past one another, I suspect.
Be well.
EDIT: Well, I tried a "short" response... 😳[/b]