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Is there any theist here who considers himself/herself a Molinist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
Originally posted by LemonJello"In basic terms, Molinists hold that in addition to knowing everything that does or will happen, God also knows what His creatures would freely choose if placed in any circumstance." = Omniscience.
Is there any theist here who considers himself/herself a Molinist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAs usual, you haven't stated any clear point. If I had to hazard a guess, your point is that belief in an omniscient divine being also commits one to Molinism. Presumably, then, your point is that all proponents of the Abrahamic religions are also Molinists. If so, you're badly mistaken. I'm afraid it is not that easy.
"In basic terms, Molinists hold that in addition to knowing everything that does or will happen, God also knows what His creatures would freely choose if placed in any circumstance." = Omniscience.
Omniscience = "Omniscience [1] mainly in religion, is the capacity to know everything that there is to know. [i]In particular, Hinduism and the Abrahamic ...[text shortened]... gs, etc. In Latin, omnis means "all" and sciens means "knowing". (wiki)
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Originally posted by LemonJellowhat would a god or goddess without omniscience and omnipotence have
As usual, you haven't stated any clear point. If I had to hazard a guess, your point is that belief in an omniscient divine being also commits one to Molinism. Presumably, then, your point is that all proponents of the Abrahamic religions are also Molinists. If so, you're badly mistaken. I'm afraid it is not that easy.
Just because one believes t ...[text shortened]... think otherwise, is it safe to say that you consider yourself a Molinist?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell, even if an entity fails to be omniscient and omnipotent, it can still be really, really, really wise and really, really, really powerful. I'm sure a really, really, really wise and really, really, really powerful entity would have lots to offer the human race.
what would a god or goddess without omniscience and omnipotence have
to offer the human race, perhaps the underwhelming gift of lower case...
Originally posted by LemonJelloWell that was clear as mud.
As usual, you haven't stated any clear point. If I had to hazard a guess, your point is that belief in an omniscient divine being also commits one to Molinism. Presumably, then, your point is that all proponents of the Abrahamic religions are also Molinists. If so, you're badly mistaken. I'm afraid it is not that easy.
Just because one believes t ...[text shortened]... think otherwise, is it safe to say that you consider yourself a Molinist?
Originally posted by sonhousesonhouse, you really, really, really should try to be really, really, really kind to other communicators in this forum. I'm sure you really, really, really know deep within your gut that this suggestion off the top of my head is really, really, really bs.
Well that was clear as mud.
Originally posted by RJHindsEven within the secular realm, Omniscience is regarded as an attribute (or an inherent characteristic).
I believe God has the ability not to be Omniscient when He wishes or the ability to be omniscient when He wills.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo it was mud to you too🙂
sonhouse, you really, really, really should try to be really, really, really kind to other communicators in this forum. I'm sure you really, really, really know deep within your gut that this suggestion off the top of my head is really, really, really bs.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhich parts were not clear?
Well that was clear as mud.
Originally posted by RJHindsOkay, then I think that makes you a proponent of so-called accidental omniscience (vice essential omniscience), whereby an entity can be omniscient at one time but not other times. That's fine, but it has little or nothing to do with Molinism. As I have tried to explain, omniscience is not really here or there with respect to Molinism: it is neither necessary nor sufficient for Molinism. You can thank Bobby for confusing the issue by trying to imply otherwise.
I believe God has the ability not to be Omniscient when He wishes or the ability to be omniscient when He wills.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The Instructor
Originally posted by LemonJelloSo could this God in your opinion choose to forget anything?
Which parts were not clear?
Basically, Molinism holds that God has knowledge of those mentioned counterfactuals of freedom. Bobby was trying to say that if one thinks there is an omniscient God, then that person should also be committed to Molinism, presumably because Bobby thinks such knowledge of the counterfactuals of freedom follows from omniscien ...[text shortened]... e other reasons I gave are not clear, I presume this one is and shows that Bobby is confused.