Originally posted by twhitehead
I just don't get what the point is. All you seem to be saying is 'we won't know the result of the experiment until we know it.' which seems somewhat trivial. I see no connection to quantum mechanics as all your comments would apply equally well in a Newtonian universe and to macroscopic objects.
Certainly the workings of quantum phenomena such as light, ...[text shortened]... cs and believe that conciousness is somehow required to make the two slit experiment work.
Edit: "I just don't get… …macroscopic objects."
The point is that, since we set up the conditions of the experiments (and we set the conditions according to our consciousness alone), the outcomes of our experiments are fully dependent on these conditions, and as such they lack of inherent existence because they are fully consciousness dependent. This connection is existent in every product of the human mind and in every epistemic object we observe.
It follows that the fractal of the holistic reality we perceive, it has the meaning we attribute to it solely to the consciousness of the human or other sentient beings that share this knowledge. Other sentient beings without this knowledge, they project other fractals of reality as solid as ours out of the holistic reality, fractals of reality that are nothing but the projections of their own consciousness (as is the case with the fractals of reality we perceive).
Edit: “Certainly the workings of quantum phenomena such as light, has nothing whatsoever to do with consciousness”
They don’t, due to the fact that the Observer Universe obeys the QM laws of physics irrespective of observation by us.
Edit: “Unless, as… …interaction of interest”
Yes, this is how I see it.
Edit: ”but I see nothing useful in doing this”
The useful thingy is that it follows that there are many realities, all of them deeply subjective and equally validated from the cognitive apparatus and strictly dependent on the consciousness of the sentient beings that are aware of them. And they are aware of them, simply because the realities they perceive are nothing but projections of their own individual and collective consciousness, since they are all products of a specific decoding of the fractal of the holistic reality that is perceived from their cognitive apparatus.
The full interdependence of the differ subjective realities and the consciousnesses that project them, means that all of these realities are strictly subjective and consciousness dependent.
Edit: “and I fail to see the connection to my original comments in the thread that sparked the discussion ie that many people misunderstand the meaning of 'observer' in quantum mechanics and believe that conciousness is somehow required to make the two slit experiment work.”
Both Taoman and I know what means “observer” in QM; at the first page of this thread I told you clearly that our formulas themselves (a mind-only product of the human mind) do not include the observer "human mentation". However, consciousness is required for the experiments the way I just explained at this post. In fact, "no consciousness" means "no experiments"
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