03 Aug '05 09:16>
Originally posted by orfeoOriginally posted by orfeo
Jesus did claim to be the Messiah, that is why he was killed. At least, according to the Gospels. Which brings us back to...
If you acknowledge that Socrates and Alexander pose the same problems as Jesus, well I don't really feel the need to try to establish the historical existence of Jesus. Or Shakespeare or Mozart or Abraham Lincoln, for that matter. ...[text shortened]... o the culture(s) it sprang from. Please give me a concrete example of this so-called archetype.
Jesus did claim to be the Messiah, that is why he was killed. At least, according to the Gospels. Which brings us back to...
Actually, wasn't it his "apostles" that heralded him as such? He himself was denying the claim? Neither here nor there, really...as you've pointed out, according to the "gospels".
I would suggest the onus is on you to prove these people DIDN'T exist. What reason have you got for saying there was no such person other than a bare assertion?
Well, yeah...that's kinda why I started the thread, orfeo. I suppose I could have prepared a dissertation, but heck...it's just a forum on a chess site. Kill some time while my opponents mull over my latest blunder. And I ain't got none of them there book smarts or prestidigitous degrees. /sheepish
PS AIt seems to me that anyone who claims that Jesus is a retelling of an archetypal saviour myth knows very little about Christianity, and how shocking its concepts were to the culture(s) it sprang from. Please give me a concrete example of this so-called archetype.
Osiris. Want another?