13 Oct '10 12:53>
Originally posted by twhiteheadEdit: "And I disagree that the word 'landscape' is what enables me to understand the concept, or observe it. It is only the word I use when trying to communicate that concept to you."
And I disagree that the word 'landscape' is what enables me to understand the concept, or observe it. It is only the word I use when trying to communicate that concept to you. I can observe a landscape and enjoy its beauty without having a word to describe it, and without knowing a single word of English. I do not need to define it, and the phenomena does not need to be defined to exist.
Interesting!
At first your senses establish the capture of the phenomenon that, thanks to our consensus alone, we are calling "landscape": this is the reason why you cannot name your landscape capture "soup", you are forced to define it solely as "landscape". Now, the word "landscape" enables you to talk to me about this phenomenon: what way other than the word "landscape" and its synonyms have you at your disposal in order to communicate to me the factual landscape you sensed?
Finally, if your mapping/ notion "landscape" was not a reality in the World 3, how could I ever understand the factual territory that you mapped by means of the notion "landscape"?
Edit: "I can observe a landscape and enjoy its beauty without having a word to describe it, and without knowing a single word of English."
Of course you can, and over here I see at least two variations: you either speak another language and you use the analogous to the notion "landscape" word in your language; or you are a new born baby and you enjoy the beauty without having the slightest clue of what exactly you are enjoying;
Edit: "I do not need to define it, and the phenomena does not need to be defined to exist."
By which means do you know that the landscape is a landscape if you are unable to define it and unable to verify (firstly for your own convenience) that you actually see a "landscape" instead of an "aeroplane"? In fact, we invented the notion "landscape" in order to define a specific observer amongst many. Whatever you are unable to define is simply undefined -and methinks you cannot communicate to me the exchangeable and finite packet of the physical information of whatever remains undefined.
Another take: how would you ever now that you have indeed a capture of a landscape if you ignored what a landscape is? And which way the factual "landscape" would be existent to you if you had not your notion "landscape" well established, and thus fully existent, in the World 3?
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