27 May '10 14:11>
1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
It's a strange thing. I see the point of view of the atheist. Where is this God? Where is the evidence of God's existence? Where is the proof of the resurrection of Jesus?
On the surface there appears to be no proof or evidence at all. I can see that. All there is are millions of people claiming to believe in something there appears to be no evidence for, and few of them seem to agree on too much.
So what's the point of this thread you ask?
Evidence!
Surely there must be evidence. If so, what would it be? What form would the evidence take? Would that evidence be evident to the senses? If it were evident to the senses, would one's mind be able to interpret the evidence as evidence, or could one's mind choose to ignore it? Is the apparent lack of evidence evidence for no evidence? Or is the perception of the lack of evidence a trick of the mind?
On the other hand, is the perception of evidence for the existence of God a trick of the mind?
In the past I have argued that the evidence for the existence of God(a creator)is all that exists. That simply means(to me at least)that all that exists exists because it was created by a creator(God). I use that argument because it seems to me that in the final analysis nothing would exist unless it had been created. The only other explanation would be that everything that exists always existed.
But where is the evidence for that idea? If the atheist balks at the idea that there is no creator because there is no evidence, then how can he trust the idea that all that exists has always existed when there is no evidence for it?
If I were an atheist I would be bewildered by the paradox of such a mind set.
I believe the evidence, by reason of perception, is found in the mind. It is with the mind that we interpret what is perceived by our senses. With the mind we are aware of the truth. With the mind we are deceived by the perception of our senses.
1. Everything that exists has always existed.
2. Everything that exists was created.
Which idea has the greatest probability of being true based on the evidence available for the mind to interpret?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
It's a strange thing. I see the point of view of the atheist. Where is this God? Where is the evidence of God's existence? Where is the proof of the resurrection of Jesus?
On the surface there appears to be no proof or evidence at all. I can see that. All there is are millions of people claiming to believe in something there appears to be no evidence for, and few of them seem to agree on too much.
So what's the point of this thread you ask?
Evidence!
Surely there must be evidence. If so, what would it be? What form would the evidence take? Would that evidence be evident to the senses? If it were evident to the senses, would one's mind be able to interpret the evidence as evidence, or could one's mind choose to ignore it? Is the apparent lack of evidence evidence for no evidence? Or is the perception of the lack of evidence a trick of the mind?
On the other hand, is the perception of evidence for the existence of God a trick of the mind?
In the past I have argued that the evidence for the existence of God(a creator)is all that exists. That simply means(to me at least)that all that exists exists because it was created by a creator(God). I use that argument because it seems to me that in the final analysis nothing would exist unless it had been created. The only other explanation would be that everything that exists always existed.
But where is the evidence for that idea? If the atheist balks at the idea that there is no creator because there is no evidence, then how can he trust the idea that all that exists has always existed when there is no evidence for it?
If I were an atheist I would be bewildered by the paradox of such a mind set.
I believe the evidence, by reason of perception, is found in the mind. It is with the mind that we interpret what is perceived by our senses. With the mind we are aware of the truth. With the mind we are deceived by the perception of our senses.
1. Everything that exists has always existed.
2. Everything that exists was created.
Which idea has the greatest probability of being true based on the evidence available for the mind to interpret?